G40 Botider (Axis) vs BigBadBruce (Allies) +NOs -Tech Gm1

[Botider]

This is one of those rules that I honestly think has been miss-applied for a long time. A couple of clarifications…

A blitz - according to the rulebook, a blitz is when a tank moves 2 spaces during combat move phase. According to the rules, this can only be done as part of a combat move, and the first territory encountered must be hostile (enemy controlled). This is rarely observed… I see guys moving tanks 2 spaces all the time, thru a friendly territory to get a battle. But the rules say nothing about this being legal. There is a never a mention that I can find in Revised, Anniversary or the 1940s scenarios that suggests that a tank can move 2 spaces during non-combat.

Mech Inf - this is a new unit to the 1940s scenario … the rules state: “… when moving along with a tank, it (the mech inf) can enter an unoccupied enemy controlled territory as the first part of a two-space move that can end in a friendly or hostile territory.”

There is no mention of a mech inf moving 2 spaces by itself … the rules explicitly say it must be paired with a tank to be able to move 2 spaces. And, as with the tank, there is nothing in the rules that says a tank or a mech inf can move 2 spaces during non-combat – even though guys do it all the time.

Long and short… the mech inf in egypt can’t move to ethiopia in either combat or non-combat, since no tank is present to move with it. It does not matter to the combat, because you won that battle even without the mech inf. I just need to know where you want that unit to be placed.

If you disagree with this, feel free to post a question to one of the moderators for clarification. They’re pretty good about getting an answer to us quickly, and I will certainly abide by whatever they say. The whole 2-space movement, to me, has been misinterpreted from the start, but no one has ever really said much about it.

I will wait for an answer… no hurry.

[BigBadBruce]

Nevermind my first answer I got confused with another game.

Here my real answer :
Ok, I did ask, it’s a good point to clarify and if I’m wrong I rather know now so I don’t commit same mistake again.

[Botider]

no sweat… i can live with whatever. frankly, i don’t understand why a mech inf shouldn’t be able to move 2 spaces without a tank. i mean, is it mechanized or not? but the way i understand the rule is it must be paired with a tank. let me know what answer you get… forward me the reply. contemplating italy’s move anyway…

[Botider]

proceeding… where the british mech inf is located doesn’t affect italian turn…

italy 1

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purchase
none… save $10

combat
south france (inf, rtl)
2 inf, 2 rtl, arm northern italy

greece (4 inf)
2 inf, arm albania
ftr, tbmb northan italy
ftr southern italy

alexandria (inf)
inf, rtl tobruk

tunis (inf)
inf, rtl libya

algeria (inf)
inf, arm tobruk via trn sz97> sz96 > sz92
ca sz95 > sz92 for bombardment

morocco (inf)
inf, minf tobruk via trn sz97 > sz96 > sz92
ca, bb sz97> sz92 for bombardment

gibraltar ( )
2 inf southern italy via trn sz95 > sz92

kenya ( )
inf somaliland

[Botider]

south france
2 inf/2 rtl @ 2, arm @ 3
Rolls: 4@2 1@3; Total Hits: 14@2: (4, 5, 4, 1)1@3: (4)
vs
inf/rtl @ 2
Rolls: 2@2; Total Hits: 02@2: (3, 6)

[Botider]

french infantry killed…

south france
2 inf/2 rtl @ 2, arm @ 3
Rolls: 4@2 1@3; Total Hits: 24@2: (6, 2, 5, 3)1@3: (1)
vs
rtl @ 2
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (6)

[Botider]

south france taken w/out loss … minor ic and naval base seized

greece
2 inf @ 1, arm/2 ftr @ 3, tbmb @ 4
Rolls: 2@1 3@3 1@4; Total Hits: 32@1: (6, 6)3@3: (4, 2, 2)1@4: (2)
vs
4 inf @ 2
Rolls: 4@2; Total Hits: 14@2: (3, 3, 3, 2)

[Botider]

3 greek infantry killed,… 1 italian infantry killed…

greece
inf @ 1, arm/2 ftr @ 3, tbmb @ 4
Rolls: 1@1 3@3 1@4; Total Hits: 31@1: (1)3@3: (6, 3, 6)1@4: (2)
vs
inf @ 2
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (6)

[Botider]

greece taken w/ loss of inf

alexandria
inf/rtl @ 2
Rolls: 2@2; Total Hits: 12@2: (6, 2)
vs
inf @ 2
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (3)

[Botider]

alexandria taken w/out loss

tunis
inf/rtl @ 2
Rolls: 2@2; Total Hits: 12@2: (4, 2)
vs
inf @ 2
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (4)

[Botider]

tunis taken w/out loss

algeria
inf @ 1, arm/ca @ 3
Rolls: 1@1 2@3; Total Hits: 21@1: (1)2@3: (2, 6)
vs
inf @ 2
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (1)

[Botider]

algeria taken w/ loss of inf

morocco
inf/minf @ 1, ca @ 3, bb @ 4
Rolls: 2@1 1@3 1@4; Total Hits: 22@1: (5, 4)1@3: (2)1@4: (1)
vs
inf @ 2
Rolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (3)

[Botider]

morocco taken w/out loss
gibraltar taken w/out opposition… naval and air bases seized
kenya taken w/out opposition

noncombat
2 ftr, tbmb greece > southern italy
sub, 2 dd sz95 > sz92

deployment
none

collect
$18 (territories) + $5 (north africa morocco to alexandria) + $5 (greece / gibraltar / southern france) + $10 saved = $38

i still show the mech inf in ethiopia per your combat move that being resolved. you can put him wherever you want per the answer you get to your question. france is up …

Bo_v_Bruce_Gm1_01Hital.AAM

[Botider]

thanks for posting the question… i saw where someone responded. i am not familiar with that person… i sent a pm to krieghund, who is one of the board moderators and game designers/testers, and asked him to look at the thread and comment. i added my own post, which goes deeper than simply our question, to the broader issue of whether armor (and mech inf) are ever supposed to be able to move 2 spaces in non-combat. it is a common-place move, but i can’t find it discussed anywhere in the rules or faqs. anyway, i went ahead with italy and left the mech inf in ethiopia. you can move him back to egypt if you want, doesn’t matter to me. you’re up with france…

[Botider]

well, i can’t say krieghund’s answer to our question made the issue any clearer… if anything, i am more confused. but long and short, the mech inf stays in ethiopia. france is up…

[BigBadBruce]

I deducted from Italian cash in hand. I think you forgot 3 convoy in z93 and 1 convoy in z72. Am I right?

France

Non combat moves
z72 > z81 : DD
FWA> FCA : Inf
SYR > JOR : Inf
z93 > z94 : Cr

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[Botider]

@BigBadBruce:

I deducted from Italian cash in hand. I think you forgot 3 convoy in z93 and 1 convoy in z72. Am I right?

Yep… that would be correct… $34 for Italy.

[BigBadBruce]

Up to you with Germany, isn’t? Just wondering

[Botider]

Yes, it’s my turn. I live in central Alabama… the past 3 days A&A hasn’t been high on the priority list.  :wink:

[Botider]

germany 2

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purchase
9 inf, 2 ftr, 3 trn … spend $68

combat
holland (inf)
2 inf, rtl w germany
tbmb sz112

normandy (inf, arm)
2 minf, rtl, arm france
bmb w germany

sz94 (ca)
ftr, tbmb southern italy