1939 Map

[radar231]

Hi Crusaderiv,

I fully agree with your reply. Start the first move/combat actions of the game ( for Germany/Russia ) by attacking Poland ( historical ).

For the curious ones among you, here is the situation at the beginning of turn 9. ( I know, its been 2 weeks since we started the game but we can only meet once every two weeks, so ).

Germany ( with a huge army that didn’t have to fight France ) is at the gate of Moscow and will take it next. Italia is just building up but, as far as things are going, will not play at all in this game  :? . France is also building up and I am afraid it won’t do a thing either in this game ( could have move the french fleet in the Pacific though with a few transports but, I don’t know why  :evil:, I don’t trust Germany. UK is back in the Pacific with a couple of fleets + transports and retook Calcutta and is moving in to retake all the Dutch territories and pushing back Japan towards its home base, with help from Anzac. The big fight in the Pacific with Japan and the US was in the Philippines, so both forces are rebulding, US with a big fleet and Japan with infantries in Japan itself, URSS style. I will have to build up a fleet in the Atlantic too because Germany will try to get to the US without attacking France/UK.

The US won’t attack Italia in this game for sure. So all the Allies can do is win this game by denying the Axis from achieving their victory condition ( at the end of turn 15 ).

J.  8-)

[crusaderiv]

Hi J.
Allies must Open a second front to help USSR. Right now!!!
So France attack Germany and send UK expedition forces in France.
What happen in Africa,Greece,Yugoslavia? If AF continent is udner allies control you must attack the southern part of Europe. (Again to support USSR)
Uk and US must join their forces to strike Japan in the pacific. If you kill the IJN…axis won’t win.
Don’t forget…if allies gain the control of seas, axis will lose!!

[radar231]

That’s the problem I am having now with the wording of the present rules. Germany didn’t attack Poland so France is not at war with Germany. Germany didn’t attack France either, so UK is not at war with Germany. And Germany rolled all over strict-neutrals and pro-allied territories in Europe and at the beginning of turn six went into Russia and just pushed the URSS armies aside. Since Paris didn’t fall, Italia is not at war and there is no war in Africa. The US is at war with Japan and Germany, and Italia also but the Italian forces are too strong now. The Uk and the US will lock up Japan on its home island in the next few turns, Germany will bypass the UK and France to get to the USA but I don’t think that will work for them. Will see in a couple of weeks how it ends.

J.  8-)

[crusaderiv]

That’s the problem I am having now with the wording of the present rules. Germany didn’t attack Poland so France is not at war with Germany.
You have to change that rules…

Germany didn’t attack Poland so France is not at war with Germany. Germany didn’t attack France either, so UK is not at war with Germany.
The US is at war with Japan and Germany,
It’s a non sense…another rule to change!

[Tigerman77]

Hey guys. I have made some changes to the rules to prevent this scenario from happening again. Simple rule: if Germany attacks any pro allied country it is at war with UK and France. I will also add if Germany attacks Russia they are at war with the UK and France.

For Italy I will add: when Paris falls or Germany attacks Russia. This will make sure all major powers will be included.

I will post revised rules in next few days

[radar231]

Great.  Or just state that Germany must attack Poland on the first turn, as it happened historicaly, to start this game as WWII started.

J.  8-)

[crusaderiv]

Hi tigerman.
Hey guys. I have made some changes to the rules to prevent this scenario from happening again. Simple rule: if Germany attacks any pro allied country it is at war with UK and France. I will also add if Germany attacks Russia they are at war with the UK and France.
The only pro allied I know is Poland.  :-D
If I want to attack USSR, I have to invade Poland before so I’ll be at war with UK/France already. :-D

By the way… your map is great…

[HBG]

@radar231:

Great.  Or just state that Germany must attack Poland on the first turn, as it happened historicaly, to start this game as WWII started.

J.  8-)

This would be the best way in my opinion.

I agree, great map!!

[Tigerman77]

@crusaderiv:

Hi tigerman.
Hey guys. I have made some changes to the rules to prevent this scenario from happening again. Simple rule: if Germany attacks any pro allied country it is at war with UK and France. I will also add if Germany attacks Russia they are at war with the UK and France.
The only pro allied I know is Poland.  :-D
If I want to attack USSR, I have to invade Poland before so I’ll be at war with UK/France already. :-D

By the way… your map is great…

Thanks, I had some help from Coachofmany!

Just to keep it simple Ill take your guys advice. Thanks for all the feedback!!  I will post new rule update and some minor setup changes next day or so.

[crusaderiv]

Just to keep it simple Ill take your guys advice.

War it is not complicated. The politics…. yes… :-D

[Tigerman77]

Just posted updated rules and setups. just some minor tweeks.

[radar231]

@Tigerman77:

Just posted updated rules and setups. just some minor tweeks.

Hi,

Did a quick read, so far so good. Thumbs for the Foreign Legion. Notice in the set up for Russia that you still have a ’ Lenongrad ’ though  :lol:

J.  8-)

[radar231]

Need a clarification ref russian partisans.

Can you eliminate them ? Or must you leave an unit in each territories you conquered so that they won’t show up, or can they still exist by themself even if an enemy unit show up on the next turn in that territory etc etc.

J.  8-)

[radar231]

Since I can’t post pictures yet, here is a link to a cell picture of my current game showing France and Italia and an empty Germany. France and Italia are not at war, this is turn # 9. Next time I take pictures with a cell, I will try to be more steady.

J.  8-)

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=a2fc35140f2b9573&sc=photos&id=A2FC35140F2B9573!103&sff=1#cid=A2FC35140F2B9573&id=A2FC35140F2B9573!104&sc=photos

[HBG]

Rules are being modified to fix problems with factions entering war with each other and moving the game along. Look fir them in a couple weeks.
We appreciate all the feedback!

[crusaderiv]

Geez…A lot of people in the english channel. Fishing must be miraculous  :evil:

[Tigerman77]

New revisions comming soon.

[Tigerman77]

The revised global 39 rules will be posted at the beginning of this thread Friday morning. Thanks for everyones patience.

[radar231]

Thumb up  :-)

J.  8-)

[Tigerman77]

Rules and setups arte posted at the beginning of this thread. Sorry for the delay!