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Naval Casualties Part 2

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On the Germans turn, the Germans move out 4 subs and 4 fighters and a bomber into the English Channel to wipe out the UK/USA flotilla.

The UK/USA have 1 carrier, 2 fighters, 1 destroyer, 2 subs, and 2 cruisers.

IN the opening round the attacking Germans all miss. The UK/USA flotilla score a hit with one of the fighters.

The German player wants to take a sub as a causality. He argues that since there was a USA destroyer on the space it would be possible for the defending UK plane to hit a German sub.

Is this correct?
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Yes. Multi-national forces always defend together.
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@Imperious-Leader Indeed, that is an official boardgame rule. Page 13:
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@kpb66:

After AAAs have fired before regular combat begins, are they available to the defender to be taken as casualties during attacker hits?

That is, if the defending side has 4 infantry, 2 AAA, and 2 fighters and the attacker rolls 5 hits, can the defender opt to take 4 infantry and 1 AAA instead of 4 infantry and 1 fighter?

This came up last night in a game I played and just want to be clear on the matter before the next one.

Of course you can. Or take out 3 inf and 2 AAA to keep the defensive power for the next round of combat.

There is no “chosen last” rule as it applies for transports.

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The carrier in the med is an interesting idea as it allows Germany to hold Africa for a lot longer. I wonder if this is worth it in the long run though because the men you send to Africa aren’t threatening West Russia or Caucus… This is always the problem I’ve seen with navy buys in the med. That and the fact you have to keep 2 fighters on your carrier, which means those fighters aren’t defending mainland Europe.

I’ve given this a few runs since posting. The baltic is a lost cause, speaking naval. 1st round German Purchased Carrier, Transport, 2 Art, 4 Inf. (Ive also dabbled in grabbing another sub instead of the trans just to help lock down the Atlantic). Take Gibraltar, and prep for taking Egypt round 2 (as long as The US Trans/Destroyer were taken out G1). G2 attack egypt. G3 Split surviving German forces between blitzing through Africa or Middle East and use your transports to take additional infantry/Art to black sea. Add a bombardment from your battleship and your 2 planes to attacking the Caucasus. As long as you can, use that Med Navy to take Caucasus. Africa, will most likely be taken back, but at that point, it shouldn’t matter. You are using your extra IPC to INF stack the Western Front/ Capital and by turn 5 - 7 (with a little pressure from Japan) Russia falls!

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I’ve played about 30-40 games, and won against some other pretty experienced players. Axis is favored on this map. My personal view is that a bid of around 7-11 is fair among experienced players. This is a newer game, so it’s not surprising that people haven’t come up with an exact amount.

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Yes, provided the fighters have a place to land when the attack is made, you can choose the carrier as a casualty before the fighters. Though in either case, whether you win or lose, if the surviving fighters don’t have a place to land after combat, they will crash into the sea. The important point is that when combat begins all combatant fighters must have a viable place to land. The ability to move fighters off territories to land on carriers, or off carriers to land on territories, may allow you to bring more fighters into the battle than the carriers alone would seem to allow, this is called maxing movement, but you can’t suicide or kamikaze fighters outright. In other words, you have to have a place for them to go at the start of the attack, but not necessarily once the attack is underway and you are actually taking fire. There is some flexibility in choosing casualties, once combat begins… so if you know it is an all or nothing flight, it may make sense to choose the carrier before the fighters.

There is one situation where choosing the carrier first can be crushing though, if you are defending, and the attacker retreats after a strafe, if your fighters have no carrier or territory to land on they will crash into the sea at no cost to the attacker.

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