I would usually not liberate Paris until Northern Italy and Western Germany were both in Allied hands. OR, Italy was taken out and Germany is in such a poor position that they couldn’t afford to mount an attack against Paris. In that case, the US/UK would have to have a lot of units in Paris along with the free 12 IPCs of French units. So much so that Germany just can’t muster enough attacking units to make it worth their while.
I remember one game where we had a situation like this and our German player got all crazy like “Oh, I got to get Paris back!”. Germany did get Paris back and gained something like 15 IPCs (some French territories were still in Axis hands), but they lost so many units in the process it ended up being a negative for them. Plus, their defenses were severely weakened both in W Germany and Germany itself. Russia had a fun time on the Eastern Front.
So, basically I wouldn’t liberate Paris unless the Allies had an overwhelming force to either keep it or make it stupid for Germany to retake it.
Another reason is the Normandy and S France factories. I like for the US in particular, but also the UK to have factories on mainland Europe. I don’t want to give them up until I have and can keep the factories in Italy and possibly W Germany. Then you can give up the French factories.
Vichy France and the French Navy
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Some of the french units should become free french and be controlled by the Brits not all french became Vichy
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@The:
Some of the french units should become free french and be controlled by the Brits not all french became Vichy
True. I thought about that. At least the french unit in England should become Free French.
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At least the french unit in England should become Free French.
LOLOLOLOLOL Good thought.
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@The:
Some of the french units should become free french and be controlled by the Brits not all french became Vichy
I agree. What about the FREE FRENCH? Have a roll-off for each territory / Sea Zone. highest roll wins. Some become AXIS, some remain ALLIES
This also makes it random and more interesting every time.
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@The:
Some of the french units should become free french and be controlled by the Brits not all french became Vichy
I agree. What about the FREE FRENCH? Have a roll-off for each territory / Sea Zone. highest roll wins. Some become AXIS, some remain ALLIES
This also makes it random and more interesting every time.
Good idea. That should work. What do you think about the idea of Germany “acquiring” the French ships it defeats?
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@The:
Some of the french units should become free french and be controlled by the Brits not all french became Vichy
I agree. What about the FREE FRENCH? Have a roll-off for each territory / Sea Zone. highest roll wins. Some become AXIS, some remain ALLIES
This also makes it random and more interesting every time.
Good idea. That should work. What do you think about the idea of Germany “acquiring” the French ships it defeats?
Not sure if that is needed if you have a roll-off after the fall of Paris. But then again, I have not play tested either of these.
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Historically, french territories in a Vichy rules system should be distributed like this…
Germany (or Italy): Paris, Normandy/Bordeaux (6 IPC).
Vichy France: Southern France, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, French West Africa, Syria, Madagascar and French Indochina (11 IPC).
Free France: French Central Africa, French Equatorial Africa, New Hebrides (2 IPC).The French Navy should remain Vichy, considering the treacherous British attack on the French Fleet at Mers-el-Kébir.
Every Vichy territories captured by the allies should be switched back to Free France.
I’m not sure how units could be placed on the map for Free France. Maybe they could be allowed to place directly in French equatorial Africa (or in London!) but could only buy infantry.
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Can you say ZENO, WORLD AT WAR ?
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Zeno games had all the vichy french rules in their World at War game like 10 or 12 yrs ago. some suggestions posted here are almost identical. Search zenogames.com. i think they may be stiil around.
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