My best advice is to just propose a house rule for it. Much easier and simpler.
Newest Setup by Larry
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http://harrisgamedesign.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=4060&start=392 Changes there are in red
Germany
Holland/Belgium – 4 Infantry, 2 Artillery, 3 tanks, 1 Fighter
Western Germany – 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 4 Mech Infantry, 2 Fighters, 2 Tac bombers 1 AA gun, 1 Major IC, 1 Naval base, 1 Airbase
Greater Southern Germany - 6 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 2 tanks
Germany – 6 Infantry, 4 artillery, 1 Tac Bomber, 1 Bomber, 1 Major IC, 1 AA gun
Slovakia/Hungary – 2 Infantry, 1 Tank, (Deleted 1 Tac Bomber) 1 FighterRomania – 3 Infantry, 1 Tank
Poland – 3 Infantry, 1 Tank, (Deleted 1 Fighter)1 Tac Bomber
Norway – 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Denmark – 2 Infantry
Sea Zone 103 - 1 Sub
Sea Zone 108 - 1 Sub
Sea Zone 113 - 1 Cruiser, 1 Battleship, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 117 - 1 Sub
Sea Zone 118 - 1 Sub
Sea Zone 124 - 1 SubSoviet Union
Karelia - 2 Infantry
Archangel - 1 Infantry
Russia - 4 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Mech Infantry, 1 tank, 1 Fighter, 1 Tac Bomber, 1 AA Gun, 1 Airbase, 1 Major IC
Volgograd – 1 tank, 1 Mech Infantry, 1 Minor IC
Caucasus – 2 Infantry
Bessarabia – 2 Infantry
Western Ukraine – 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Eastern Poland – 2 Infantry
Baltic States – 3 Infantry
Belarus – 1 Infantry
Novgorod - 6 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter, 1 AA Gun, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base, 1 Minor IC
Vyborg – 3 Infantry
Amur – 6 Infantry
Sakha – 6 Infantry, 1 AA gun
Buryatia – 6 Infantry
Sea Zone 115 – 1 Battleship, (Deleted 1 Transport)1 Destroyer, 1 submarine
Sea Zone 127 – 1 SubJapan
Japan - 6 Infantry, 2 Artillery, 1 Tank, 2 Fighters, 2 Tac Bombers, 2 Bomber, 1 AA Gun, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base, 1 Major IC
Manchuria - 6 Infantry, 1 Mech Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 AA Gun, 2 Fighters, 2 Tac Bombers
Palau Island - 1 Infantry
Kiangsi - 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Formosa - 1 Fighter
Shantung - 2 Infantry
Kwangsi - 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Iwo Jima - 1 Infantry
Jehol - 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Caroline Islands - 1 Infantry, 1 AA gun, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base,
Siam - 2 Infantry
Okinawa - 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Kiangsu - 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 Tac Bomber.
Korea - 4 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Sea Zone 6 - 1 Sub, 2 Destroyers, 2 Carriers each with 2 Tac & 2 Ftrs., 1 Cruiser, 1 Battleship, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 19 - 1 Sub, 1 Battleship, 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 33 - 1 Destroyer, 1 Carrier w/ 1 Tac & 1 Ftrs.
Sea Zone 20 - 1 Cruiser, 1 TransportUnited Kingdom (London)Atlantic side of map
Ontario - 1 Infantry
Quebec - 1 Infantry, 1 Tank, 1 Minor IC
New Brunswick Nova Scotia - 1 Naval Base
Iceland - 1 Airbase
United Kingdom - 1 French and 2 British infantry, 2 Brit & 1 French fighters, 1 AA gun, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base, 1 Major IC,
Gibraltar –1 fighter, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base
Malta – (Deleted 1 Infantry)1 Fighter, 1 AA gun, 1 Airbase
Alexandria - 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank
Egypt - 1 British & 2 ANZAC infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Naval Base
Anglo-Egyptian Sudan - 1 Infantry
Union of South Africa - 2 Infantry, 1 Naval Base, 1 Minor IC
West India – 1 Infantry
Scotland – 1 Infantry, 2 Fighters, 1 Airbase
Sea Zone 71 - 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 91 – 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 98 – (Deleted 1 Battleship)1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 1 Carrier w/1 Tac Bomber (Deleted 1 Fighter), 1 Transport
Sea Zone 106 – 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 109 – 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 110 – 1 Cruiser, 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 111 – 1 Destroyer, 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 112 – 1 CruiserUnited Kingdom (India) Pacific side of the map
Kwangtung - 2 Infantry, 1 Naval Base
Burma - 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Malaya – 3 British Infantry & 1 ANZAC Infantry, 1 Naval Base
India - 6 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 AA Gun, 1 Fighter, 1 Tac Bomber, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base, 1 Major IC
Sea Zone 37 - 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 39 - 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser, 1 TransportANZAC
New South Wales - 2 Infantry, 1 AA gun, 1 Minor IC, 1 Naval Base.
New Zealand - 1 Infantry, 2 Fighter, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base
Queensland - 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Fighter, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base.
Sea Zone 62 -1 Destroyer, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 63 – 1 CruiserItaly
Northern Italy - 2 Infantry, 2 Artillery, 1 tank, (Deleted 1 Fighter)1 Tac Bomber, 1 AA Gun, 1 Major IC
Southern Italy - 6 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 AA Gun, 1 Naval Base, 1 Airbase, 1 Minor IC
Albania - 2 Infantry, 1 tank
Italian Somaliland – 1 Infantry
Ethiopia – 2 Infantry, 1 Artillery
Libya – 1 Infantry
Tobruk - 3 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Mech Infantry, 1 tank
Sea Zone 95 - 2 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser, 1 Sub, 2 Transport
Sea Zone 97 – 1 Cruiser, 1 Battleship, 1 TransportUnited States
Western US - 3 Infantry, 1 Mech Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank, 1 Bomber, (Deleted 1 Tac bomber) 1 Fighter, 1 AA Gun, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base, 1 Minor IC
Hawaiian Islands - 2 Infantry, 2 fighters, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base.
Philippines - 2 Infantry, 1 fighter, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base.
Midway - 1 Airbase
Wake Island - 1 Airbase
Guam - 1 Airbase
Eastern United States – 1 Infantry, 1 Fighter, 1 Artillery, 1 Tank, 1 AA Gun, 1 Airbase, 1 Naval Base, 1 Minor IC
Central United States - 1 Infantry, 1 Mech Infantry, 1 Bomber, 1 Minor IC
Sea Zone 26 - 1 Sub, 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser, 1 Transport
Sea Zone 10 - 1 Battleship, 1 Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 1 Transport, Carrier w/Tac (deleted Ftr)
Sea Zone 35 - 1 Destroyer and ,(Deleted 1 Transport) 1 Submarine
Sea Zone 101 – 1 Destroyer and 1 Transport
(Deleted Sea Zone 89 – 1 Destroyer)China
Szechwan 5 Infantry and one fighter
Hunan 2 Infantry
Yunnan 4 Infantry
Kweichow 2 Infantry
Shensi 1 Infantry
Suiyuyan 2 InfantryFrance
France - 6 French & 1 British Infantry, 1 French & 1 British Artillery, 1 French & 1 British tank, 1 Fighter, 1 Airbase, 1 Major IC
Southern France - 1 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 Naval Base, 1 Minor IC
Normandy/Bordeaux – 1 Infantry, 1 tank, 1 Naval Base, 1 Minor IC
Syria - 1 Infantry
Tunisia – 1 Infantry
Morocco – 1 Infantry
Algeria – 1 Infantry
French West Africa – 1 Infantry
Sea Zone 72 - 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 93 - 1 Destroyer, 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 112 - 1 Cruiser -
It’s going to change in a week, he even said so, so don’t hold your breath.
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Okay, but if I hold my breath, then you will get what you want.
Just for a gains-loss analysis:
Germany gains 1 tac
Russia loses 1 inf, 1 tank, and 1 Tr, which are replaced by 1 DD, 1 SS
ANZAC ftr in UK becomes French, UK gains 1 ftr, 1 AB, 1 CC, 1 DD, losing a BB
Italy gains an inf, loses a ftr, and gains a tac
US loses ftr, tac, DD, and gains an SS
France gains a minorEdit: Larry posted that there were “3 2 tactical bombers” in West Germany. I assumed he wanted to keep them at three, but apparently, it’s supposed to be 2. Thus, Germany does not gain any planes.
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I think I’d rather play with those changes than the current Alpha+.1. I’m not sure about the airbase add though.
The French fighter is interesting. Holland becomes a riskier place to land planes.
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I haven’t even gone through turn 3 yet for my 2 games I started on +0.1!
Who’s feedback is he getting to make these changes so fast and furious?
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I have no idea. Why all these changes? These are going to make a big difference in balance.
I for one like the old set up better.
I do not even know of 1 game finished yet on the forums.
:roll:
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It’s silly and haphazard.
Maybe when he’s done, after he’s gone through another number of revisions, I’ll check his ‘final’ changes.
Until then, I’ll stick with OOB and just bid victory cities.
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These are just changes he’s thinking about making. They are not official yet. They were only posted with the idea of getting some feedback.
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Word, I’ll wait until he updates the OP here. In the meantime I’m still working on a monster A+.1 game.
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I would understand that if there was enough time to complete games to give feedback. A chance to find the best strategies and then see if there are counters. At this rate, we will end up with another unbalanced game.
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What do you guys think of this rule?
I want to add Marines back into the game, maybe just for U.S. and Japan.
Basically they only work on Islands, the same way as artillery - defend and attack @ 2. They cost $4 IPC but if they are used on land locked territory the resort back to just being regular infantry, so it’s like losing an $1 IPC per marine not placed on an Island. This doesn’t tweak the game too much and could really help Japan on turn 2 if she decides to stock marines in the Carolinas, or any other nearby island.
Any comments?
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I’ve got the solution…just give each country “x” amount of dollars and let them buy whatever they want with it and place it along the map wherever. With so many possible changes, let us figure it out. HAHA
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Various recent comments… :-)
(Jim010) I just don’t like that the changes are being made soo quickly. I’ve done 1/2 a game with only an idea that I’ve half explored. I doubt many others have played the previous version more than that. If this is how he sanctions playtesting, I’m not surprised that his products are unbalanced.
(Larry Harris) I’m in no mood to be making changes to this document and probably will not being do so for some time. However, things like sealion, neutrals, Techs, and random changes here and there that improve local situations will probably make it into a 3rd and final editing of this game - I have no idea when that will be or even if it will actually happen. I can tell you this - people are going to have to work hard to make me change things again. I like where the game is presently and it will take an act of congress to make me change something from here on out.
(Larry’s comment on his Alpha+ .1 thread.)(Gamer)
Maybe it’s safe to play now? Jeez, moving the airbase to South Italy was a big change.(Gamer) Whew - OK, let’s see if I can keep track of all these rule changes….
Kinda cool, because I have that newbie feeling again, like I had in late August when this game came out. Scrambling, SBR, and NO changes, along with Med Setup changes change this game significantly, maybe even dramatically.
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Couple more of my rants in a recent game.
Man, the locations of the airbases suck. Axis needs one in Germany and one in North Italy. I guess they can always be built….
I don’t think Larry’s doing a very good job of getting this 1940 game settled. The massive rule changes that went into Alpha+1 prove it.
What was he thinking? A bazillion planes for Japan? Then we talked sense into him and he greatly reduced them. (Not to mention the two transports for UK that would always get sunk J1) (Not to mention there was always a J1 attack because there were not enough reasons to wait)
Unlimited scrambling from an island? Then we talked sense into him and he limited it to 3, what players thought all along (some kind of limit like that).
Now he changes scrambling so you planes can suddenly scramble from the coasts, up to hundreds of miles away in an instant? This game might be better without any scrambling at all.The rule changes make a HUGE difference for how UK will start out. Seriously, couldn’t he tell that with OOB rules and setup Italian fleet would get drilled 9 times out of 10, and the UK fleet would get completely sunk (around Great Brit) 9 times out of 10 on G1 with minimal casualties??
I think this coastal scrambling of up to 3 planes is going to prove to be overpowered. Fighters and airbases are now King. How long until the players will convince him of this?
OOB Malta had NOTHING on it! Finally people talk sense into him. I’m frustrated with Larry right now.
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I would understand that if there was enough time to complete games to give feedback. A chance to find the best strategies and then see if there are counters. At this rate, we will end up with another unbalanced game.
I went out to Dayton a week and a half ago, played a game of the (then) Alpha+1.0 with my drinking amigo Tim. The game took us some 20 hours to finish (lots and lots of beer drinking - Axis win), and when I got back home in Columbus, I looked online and the Alpha+1.0 set up had changed already!
I’ve been trying to keep up with things on the Harris site, but man, things are changing faster than I can keep up with.
We’re just kinda hangong back now, waiting to see if the Alpha+1.0 “express” thing finally comes rolling to a stop sometime soon. :-D
For the record, we like the Alpha + 1.0 better than the OOB version, by far.
Good Luck on the revision work Larry! :-)
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We’re just kinda hangong back now, waiting to see if the Alpha+1.0 “express” thing finally comes rolling to a stop sometime soon. :-D
For the record, we like the Alpha + 1.0 better than the OOB version, by far.
Good Luck on the revision work Larry! :-)
Yep, I like this set up more than oob. So far Allies are 1-1 in our games. Sea-lion was a success in one game and in the other Germany put factories in Romania and Norway, which worked great for a while, before the U.S. came through the back door via Normandy Invasion.
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In Alpha+1 is there supposed to be an air base in northern Italy or not? I am still confused. If no air base then it appears that the Italian fleet is in deep trouble.
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In Alpha+1 is there supposed to be an air base or not? I am still confused. If no air base then it appears that the Italian fleet is in deep trouble.
There’s one in South Italy
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In Alpha+1 is there supposed to be an air base or not? I am still confused. If no air base then it appears that the Italian fleet is in deep trouble.
There’s one in South Italy
If no air base in Northern Italy then Germany will be forced to attack the U.K. ships in 110 with lots of air power in an attempt to draw the two fighters out of London and kill them to give the Italian fleet a chance.
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In Alpha+1 is there supposed to be an air base or not? I am still confused. If no air base then it appears that the Italian fleet is in deep trouble.
There’s one in South Italy
If no air base in Northern Italy then Germany will be forced to attack the U.K. ships in 110 with lots of air power in an attempt to draw the two fighters out of London and kill them to give the Italian fleet a chance.
Or it can threaten Sealion to discourage the UK from using those planes.
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