@SuperbattleshipYamato hard to argue against any of this really. The IJN was so far gone by this point in the war that there’s not really much they could have done to salvage their situation one way or another. The bit about the allies not having many LSTs in general is something I never knew before though.
Visiting Battlefields
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Today is the anniversary of the Battle of Bosworth(1485). Possibly the second most important battle in English history. Saw the end of the House of York(Richard III, Gloucester, last English monarch killed in battle) and the setting up of the Lancastrian Henry ,father of Henry VIII, later known as Tudor.
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@wittmann:
Richard III, Gloucester, last English monarch killed in battle
That’s an interesting bit of trivia of which I wasn’t aware. I wonder if he would have been considered to have lost that title if George VI had been killed by a Luftwaffe bomb during the Battle of Britain? (As I recall, a bomb did hit the royal palace at one point. George’s wife Elizabeth supposedly later declared in public that she was glad about this because “it makes me feel closer to the people in the East End.”)
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And I had not heard that.
I think England needed the Royal Family, so it would have been a blow to public morale and a great propaganda victory for Goebbles.
Elizabeth would have been the longest reigning monarch already. She is certain to beat Vicoria’s 63 year reign as it is.
Richard III is my favourite monarch. He was a Medieval man who reached the pinnacle of acheivment and died bravely. He saw the battle was in the balance and his “ally” was in the process of defecting, spotting The Pretender, he took his personal guard and charged him. He killed his standard bearer, but was unhorsed, surrounded and probably dispatched by a Welsh Polearmed infantryman. -
I don’t have any particular opinions on Richard III one way or another, but he did get some rather bad press from William Shakespeare, with subsequent help from various people like Laurence Olivier.
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I love Shakespeare’s Richard III. Ghastly arse licking and fawning to the establishment, but what a villain to play!
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I’ve been to Greenhalgh Castle.
Where Cromwell got his a$s-kicked…
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What a joke. Unless I was drunk when I visited, cannot remember the castle. I must have gone. I was 10 miles away from it at Lancaster University long before you two were born.
I have always loved castles, so is weird.
Maybe I was lost in my A&A reverie and could not see past the endless possibilities of the board: I was mad for it back then. -
I’ve been to Hastings, where the last Anglo-Saxon king (Harold II) was defeated by that fellow from Normandy and Britain came under French domination for a while – sort of D-Day in reverse. I’ve also visited HMS Belfast, the WWII Royal Navy light cruiser that’s moored in the Thames; it particiated in the Battle of North Cape, in which the German battlecruiser Scharnhorst was sunk. Also visited the former Royal Yacht Britannia in Leith (Edinburgh’s port), which of course isn’t a warship but which did participate (as I recall) in the Falklands War as a hospital ship, and which evacuated about a thousand people from the civil war in Aden in 1986.
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aequitas-et-veritas '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16last edited by Jan 4, 2014, 8:29 PM Aug 30, 2012, 3:22 PM
And another one…
Another 250 kilo bomb was found ,this time in Munich not Nürnberg like the last one…They had to detonate her in the housing by Schwabing.
3000 peeps evacuated , houses catched some fire, but was imediatly under control by firemens…After all, there are still 100 000 out there, government knows mostly were they are but not release the location because they are afraid of the costs…so they still gamble…Psalms 91 is all I´M saying…
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@wittmann:
I love Shakespeare’s Richard III.
This may interest you:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-19561018
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Would be great if they were his remains. I had understood they were lost.
They would not announce it willy nilly, but am sceptical.
Will go and see them if proven. Thanks.
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@wittmann:
Do you get the BBC news on Twitter?
No, I just have a look at their news site periodically.
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as you guessed allready correctly, we found another 250 kilo one…it was one from England and hard to find since they only bombed at nighttime…OH these Englanders…
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Anyone would have thought you started the damn war!
Must be scary not knowing when another might be found.
I have been sayin for ages I want to see Berlin. Al wants to go too. Soon.
The plan had been to go to Sicily(never been) in 3 weeks. My in laws asked at the last minute if we would take them to Florence.
Grr! Already been this year.
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England did start World War II. :D
Germany only started the war in Poland…
And the war in Poland was started because of the Danzin ‘crisis’.
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England did start World War II. :D
Germany only started the war in Poland…
And the war in Poland was started because of the Danzin ‘crisis’.
I´m puzzled now, I thought the Polish started all that because they didn´t like the music this certain Radiostation played all the time?!… :? :? :?
anyhow, I think it counts as visiting a battlefield all the time by beeing surrounded by all this dropoffs wich get found more frequently yet…
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Sep 14, 2012, 6:23 AM
World War Two was caused by that dreaded Gleiwitz Radio station broadcasting blasphemy and a few dead German political prisoners ( whom Heydrich staged as Polish) left behind to make Germany look good. They looked good till they found out what really happened.
The old Battleship Schleswig-Holstein just happened to be nearby to fire some of the first salvos as it happened to be just off the Polish coastline and about 80% of the German army just happened to be deployed at the Polish border just in case radio broadcasts would get taken over by anti-German polish broadcasters.
Hitler just happened to have detailed plans on destroying Poland.
Himmler just happened to have plans for systematically killing off entire segments of the population.
Yea so Poland started it, or UK who made the mistake of having a treaty with Poland for protection in case of invasion. Yea i got a bridge to sell you too…in Brooklyn. :roll:
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@aequItas et veritas: have you been to Berlin? I like all history, but wondered if there was any WW2 museums or sites. What should I see when I go? And whose motto is your username? (Sorry for all the questions. Feel like a nagging wife!)
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@Imperious:
World War Two was caused by that dreaded Gleiwitz Radio station broadcasting blasphemy and a few dead German political prisoners ( whom Heydrich staged as Polish) left behind to make Germany look good. They looked good till they found out what really happened.
The old Battleship Schleswig-Holstein just happened to be nearby to fire some of the first salvos as it happened to be just off the Polish coastline and about 80% of the German army just happened to be deployed at the Polish border just in case radio broadcasts would get taken over by anti-German polish broadcasters.
Hitler just happened to have detailed plans on destroying Poland.
Himmler just happened to have plans for systematically killing off entire segments of the population.
Yea so Poland started it, or UK who made the mistake of having a treaty with Poland for protection in case of invasion. Yea i got a bridge to sell you too…in Brooklyn. :roll:
The German-Polish crisis lasted from October 1938 until September 1, 1939, and involved an extensive exchange of notes between the Germans, the Poles, the British, the Italians, and the French. Voluminous records of these attempts at negotiation still exist, intact, and there is no discrepancy between them.
Most of the problems involved Polish refusal to recognize the rights of the various national minorities in Poland – not just ethnic Germans, but Ruthenians, White Russians, Czechs, Jews, and Ukranians, etc., for twenty years. Hundreds of thousands of ex-Polish Ukranians emigrated to Canada, became British subjects, and continued to file complaints with the British government. These problems were very well known and received extensive publicity throughout the 1930s. The German attitude was that if the problems involving Danzig, the Corridor, and the minorities were not solved, Germany would be compelled to resort to war.
The German attack date in 1939 was postponed no less than three times to give the Poles a chance to negotiate. In each case, they refused. Even after the initial German attack, on September 2, 1939, Hitler offered to stop his armies right where they were, on the spot, if the Poles would negotiate (which was extremely dangerous, because if the Poles had done so, and had then stalled until the beginning of the rainy season, the German army would have been nearly immobilized by mud; there were no good roads in Poland). The British refused, demanding unconditional, unilateral German withdrawal, with no concessions or negotiations in return. So Hitler went ahead, the British involved their colonies and dominions while attempting to involve the United States, and 50 million people were killed.
The “Gleiwitz radio station” was NEVER MENTIONED AT ANY TIME IN 1939. The claim, therefore, is that for six years, nobody knew what the whole war was about, until 1945, when somebody named “Alfred Naujocks” signed an “affidavit” at Nuremberg, and disappeared forever! He never appeared as a witness for cross-examination.
It is obvious that this tale was invented to obfuscate or conceal the real causes of the war. Why fake a trivial incident if you’re never going to mention it when you go to war? This is a typical example of Nuremberg “evidence”.
Best sources: KRIEGSURSACHE – KRIEGSCHULD, by Helmut Schröcke; DER KRIEG, DER VIELE VÄTER HATTE, by Gerd Shulze-Rhonhof; and THE FORCED WAR, by David Hoggan. This information is also widely available elsewhere.
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Imperious Leader '17 '16 '15 Organizer '14 Customizer '13 '12 '11 '10last edited by Sep 14, 2012, 8:05 PM Sep 14, 2012, 7:10 PM
SO?
You said nothing that forms a reply to what i posted. Nothing i said is even contradicted or challenged.
You might as well have quoted anybody and replied with Wikipedia. All you did was state some limited information most of us already know and other info with some bent to make another argument that is not being addressed, but the overall tone of my post was to make the point that Germany started by ‘created’ the crisis soon after the Munich Conference and was the primary aggressor.
Perhaps don’t reply unless you have your own point to offer. And perhaps never reply to my posts would be better.
Here is the site where you stole ideas and just copy/paste verbatim because you don’t know facts….
http://www.cwporter.com/gleiwitz.htmClick that and see how Gargantua steals ideas off the internet and reposts them as his own…Hilarious!
Best sources: KRIEGSURSACHE – KRIEGSCHULD, by Helmut Schr�cke; DER KRIEG, DER VIELE V�TER HATTE, by Gerd Shulze-Rhonhof; and THE FORCED WAR, by David Hoggan. This information is also widely available elsewhere.
Indeed. Perhaps a better resource is to steal what is printed on the internet and repost it as your own ideas or ones that you summarize after reading all those German language books that you never saw.
Good Grief. :roll:
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