The axis has one once for sure outta 6 games… most games have to be done as a result of people leaving but the people I play with arnt very good
The axis have always had it harder. In this game germany needs to use their armor and mech as mobile killimg machines. Japan’s fighters must know where to be a turn ahead of time. Get that down and the allies will have their hands full.
In my current game as the Axis I have turned down two 70 pip germany 80 pip russia moscow battles because I the axis feel japan is getting stronger every turn more so than the americans are.
Every game of global I have played(5), against different players and groups, I played as Germany every time, and won. So it is winnable!
I agree with all of you though, the Axis has the steepest climb it’s ever seen, and it’s difficult. But my arguement is that they have to be the most creative, and know what objectives are the most important.
I also find that Germany must do everything in it’s power to baby Italy, to make Italy viable as quickly as possible.
Also, I am a FIRM believer that you have to keep Russia and the U.S. out AS LONG as possible, and that you HAVE to take the London unless the U.K. dumps EVERY possible unit and resource into defending it.
Don’t be a psy and just throw your hands in the air. Switch it up, and try different things.
Also, I’ve never bothered building or upgrading a complex with Germany, I think it’s a waste of money, until possibly very LATE in the game, or if magical circumstances permit it. It’s better spent on Air power or Navy.
I really wish TripleA worked…
Solutions were are kicking around:
Split US income just like UK. 52 for a KGF is impossible to deal with. 82 is even worse.
If USA ignores Japan, Japan should assault mainland America as crazy: convoy raids, massive land attacks … even SBRs if you can base bombers in Alaska. If Japan wins the Pacific war at time, allies are toasted, specially if USA doesn’t fight the war in first place
The key here is remember that, in game terms, Tokyo is nearer to America than to Moscow. And I mean America, not only the United States. Try even for Panama or Mexico if you can!
Remember, in the alpha setup, Japan starts w/1 TR. If they spend money to waste on a US landing, that only helps UKP/Anz/US more.
Remember, in the alpha setup, Japan starts w/1 TR. If they spend money to waste on a US landing, that only helps UKP/Anz/US more.
Actually, they start with 2
27 games played, 24 Allied wins to 3 Axis. I feel your pain. The US IPC’s are just too freakin high. I’m leaning in the direction of removing the naval base at Gibraltar or forbidding a Norway factory from deploying units directly into the Baltic.
Remember, in the alpha setup, Japan starts w/1 TR. If they spend money to waste on a US landing, that only helps UKP/Anz/US more.
So what? Alpha setup is not official yet and is possible that could be changed. Anyway, 1-2 more trannies is something that Japan can afford, and you’re going to buy them anyway even if case that you choose ignore a undefended America. Guess where is going USA to spend the money if Japan invades America? In America, not in Europe, and they are going to have much less money (like 15-20 IPCs less due convoy raids and losing Alaska and Hawaii), while Japan is going to have much more after they toast Australia and takes Alaska, Hawaii and India (probably about 100+), and there is even a chance that Japan has enough power to at least annoy Africa … and If Japan can afford take South Africa IC, allies are probably beaten
I prefer spend money in the Pacific as USA, saving tons of money, preventing Japan collecting them, etc, and probably even taking some Dutch East Indies. Of course, India could have at least a chance of survive in this case
You should at least make the try: next time allies try ignore Japan, invade America with Japan
9th game completed tonight. That’s 9-0 allies.
Our group contends that if you have players of relatively the same ability playing both sides, and the standards are followed, there is little to no chance of an axis win.
Solutions were are kicking around:
Split US income just like UK. 52 for a KGF is impossible to deal with. 82 is even worse.
Putting a Minor in Romania from the start.
Adding Axis airpower in Europe
Eliminating French Units
Making French units Vichy when Paris falls
Removing the minor IC from S. Italy
Not sure what combo of these to try first…
I think that game balance differs from group to group. I also think that some people play certain powers better then others like Gargantua w/Germany. One guy in our group is very good with Japan, and you can’t ignore him. Play styles make a big difference as well. Some people are attack-attack-attack, some are more defensive minded. I also think the axis have a longer learning curve in E40, and G40. Some of those early victories probably shouldn’t count. If your group is anything like any normal group playing, the first couple of games are riddled w/mistakes, and the axis seem to have a harder time overcoming mistakes. Things like forgetting to take Finland G1, or not seeing the 1-2 punch the allies can pull on the Danish straight (how to protect against it w/Italy). Its also possible some early games had wrong rule interpretations, or some games exploited some rules that may be changed in the FAQ. The FAQ should be out this month, until then I would keep working on axis strats. I would find it a challenge to break the streak.
If in all these one sided games the axis never even sniffed victory then yeah maybe your group should look at making some changes. Its not much fun playing if you know ahead of time your going to win or lose. For me I wouldn’t start with things on your list other then maybe IC’s. Restricting major IC builds to your own orig tt (no US major on Norway or Korea), and/or maybe starting w/German minor on Romania like you said.
Personally I would start w/US NO if your main problem is US having to much income in Europe. You could simply try shaving off 5 ipc’s from the US at war NO (making it 25 ipc’s instead of 30 in both E40 & G40). In global if US is swinging to much income to Europe you could split its war time NO up, forcing it to hold onto certain Pac islands or tt to keep its income in tact, so the US can’t just ignore the Pacific.
Japan had such an advantage in most P40 groups. I believe them to be key here as well. It takes some skill to ignore them 18 Russian inf until six infantry and your whole airforce can kill them.
In general America builds 90% Europe first couple turns of our games. This lets Japan just spring out! Be adventurous and build your Japanese Asian complex far from home where you can ignore China.
What do you think was the #1 factor that caused the Axis loss in all of your games?
I suggest it was USA income and readiness to enter the fight as soon as war was declared?
Solutions: (which should be in the game anyway, balanced or not)
No new factories
No use of captured factories
Rail movement
No tt sharing between USSR and Western Allies
Landing in CA/MEX/AK does nothing to the US. Ok, so I take 1 turn off, grab 10 tanks and push your out. Good waste of $ for Japan, while I now have Remaining Armor to load back up on TR’s.
It’s simple math. The US has WAAAAAAAAAAAY too much money to burn off in the Atlantic.
I can only hope that the game truely wasn’t playtested, or they were told that the Allies should win 90% of the time.
Something tells me that in these groups that have the Axis winning 50/50 or more, the better players are taking the axis as it is the harder side. you put the guys who are drinking, don’t really play, or are new on the allies, and a few mistakes are made and taken advantage of.
Landing in CA/MEX/AK does nothing to the US. Ok, so I take 1 turn off, grab 10 tanks and push your out. Good waste of $ for Japan, while I now have Remaining Armor to load back up on TR’s.
It’s simple math. The US has WAAAAAAAAAAAY too much money to burn off in the Atlantic.
10 tanks are 60 IPCs … are you really sure that they are better spent in defending land units that cannot retake islands instead of in a Pacific fleet? What are you going to do if Japan has another load of infantery+planes to counter attack that? Like, say, 8 inf + 6 to 8 fighters. Even if you killed like 8-10 jap infs the first round, the tanks cost more than the two loads of inf. Mechs lack offensive punch and if you keep fighters for that duty, they’re not fighting against Germany or aiding to take islands as their duty should be. Of course, you can start buying inf at California as in later versions, but this time Canada is much longer … units defending the West Coast will be used just for defense and will never reach to Europe. And Japan can potentially colect like 100 IPCs if the Pacific is left by the allies. Are you sure that you can hold against such superior income? Remember that you’ll colect 70 IPCs as much if you try ignore Japan, and that if USA takes Brazil
You can’t ignore Japan unless that Japan is so silly to ignore their true enemy: USA. Annoying Siberia is fun and surely can still be done even if you attack mainland America, but the main target for Japan is America, never Moscow. If Japan doesn’t keep USA honest, Axis deserve lose
New to the boards, but I’ve been lurking for a while now.
I’ve played a decent amount of AA50 and of course AA classic, but unfortunately only 1 game of global so far (it’s hard to get people in on it for some reason).
I do agree with the first post, the game does seem to lean to the allies. I think how much is the question.
I did win my first global playing as Germany, but I think the allies made mistakes a seasoned player wouldn’t have.
I broke my lurker status, because I wanted to know if anyone has thought of allowing the US NO to be convoyed?
Ideally this would keep the US from doing an Atlantic dump and at the same time address the issue of the US income getting out of hand.
Landing in CA/MEX/AK does nothing to the US. Ok, so I take 1 turn off, grab 10 tanks and push your out. Good waste of $ for Japan, while I now have Remaining Armor to load back up on TR’s.
It’s simple math. The US has WAAAAAAAAAAAY too much money to burn off in the Atlantic.
I can only hope that the game truely wasn’t playtested, or they were told that the Allies should win 90% of the time.
Something tells me that in these groups that have the Axis winning 50/50 or more, the better players are taking the axis as it is the harder side. you put the guys who are drinking, don’t really play, or are new on the allies, and a few mistakes are made and taken advantage of.
As far as testing I can’t see a mandate that the allies should win most games. I think they may have missed some stuff due to time restraints though. I would think the testers were accomplish players, and played both sides.
I had to LOL when you said axis wins must be due to better players on that side, or the allies must be drinking to much. Maybe its the opposite in your group, and its the axis that are partying to much causing them to have an error in judgment :-D
Anyway I think this game may evolve for awhile yet. Right now there is a movement to give Japan an extra 10 ipc’s when not at war w/western allies (that should help try it). If you think about how the axis really can’t disrupt the US income unless they go balls to the walls for the continental US. Those 3 tt are worth 72 ipc’s (once at war). I think that if you give it some time, you might see the US at war bonus broken down. I don’t think there will be any type of split US income, but part of their NO might be severed off and put into bonuses on the pac side in global. Larry is listening to concerns, and he is very approachable on his site. BE PATIENT
I have to agree with Funcioneta. I’ve unfortunately never had the opportunity to play Japan and have the US ignore me. If that were to happen… Well I’m already drooling. Imagine you’re playing Pac40 and the US builds nothing? How fast would you win? With that much coin you could pull your whole fleet west past india and still be able to drop 300 IPC’s in navy when the US realized what a dumb mistake they made. Forget the preset openings and be creative. Sure the axis have a greater lurning curve. And sure if you play long enough the allies will win, but that’s the point. The economics aren’t supposed to line up, no matter how long you play unless you take EVERYthing. The only advantage the axis have is initiative. You NEED to set the pace, pick the battles and direct the war to where you need it. Forget the cookie cutter openings. Can your starting units push the reds back far enough that their counter attack hits your fresh lines of infantry? Are you building your units for the next turn, the turn after or 3-5 turns ahead. The axis powers need to have serious long term plans and build win the winning the war in mind, not just winning the next battle.
You can have the best of both worlds with the US. Build up the fleet you’re going into Europe with in the Pacific, massing @ Hawaii… You force Japan to play somewhat defensively and thus slow down its early growth a little bit, and then when the time is right you build a Naval base @ SE Mexico or Central America and then its 2 turns of movement from Hawaii to Gibraltar. For extra laughs, wait till Germany is making headway into Russia and its stacks are far from home.
