Additional balance note:
On TripleA I set all sides to the Fast AI to guarantee equal players. As you can see, the Allies clearly won:
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and all the rest was used on Paris. I got 7x1, 2x2 and 5x3, so I should on average score about 4.4 hits. The Anglo-French alliance have 9x2, 2x3 and 1x4, so should score about 4.7 hits.
you should try leaving normandy and using the 2inf and 1art in the paris battle. now you can take down the uk navy and win paris with your tanks surviving
I totally agree.
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I dont see how you get 69 ipcs… I only count 41 for german territories- 30 original + 4 Paris + 2 Normandy + 2 Finland + 2 Yugoslavia + 1 Bulgaria = 41 IPCs
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You forgot the 19 it takes from France and the 10 it gets from NO’s
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Actually it was:
Germany: 30
3 French territories: 9
Bulgaria: 1
Finland: 2
2 NO’s: 10
French reserves: 17 (19 is in global game, because of Indo China).Total: 69
Yugoslavia and Greece were conquered G2, which added another 4, making German income 56 IPC.
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Ran through the first few rounds of a game last night. Took 2 INF 1 ART to Normandy, other starting ground troops to France, 2 subs to kill canadian dest/trans, 2 subs 1 tac against BB/Cruiser, BB/cruiser/ftr/tac v Cruisers, 1 sub 1 ftr vs Dd/TRN off Britain. Killed everything I went after with the exception of canadian transport. Lost a plane to keep the German BB/Cruiser together outside the Danish Straits. I’m thinking a 5 sub buy for Germany first round might not be bad, especially if you’re looking to put off Barbarossa. With the Brits down to 2 destroyers, one of which is off Gibraltar, I’m thinking the subs would help keep the German navy alive cheap, while being hard to kill and offering tons of convoy-disruption opportunity. What say ye?
Also, what do you guys think about throwing at the British CV first round? It looked like a losing gamble to me, but leaving it alone puts the Italians in a world of hurt.
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Ran through the first few rounds of a game last night. Took 2 INF 1 ART to Normandy, other starting ground troops to France, 2 subs to kill canadian dest/trans, 2 subs 1 tac against BB/Cruiser, BB/cruiser/ftr/tac v Cruisers, 1 sub 1 ftr vs Dd/TRN off Britain. Killed everything I went after with the exception of canadian transport. Lost a plane to keep the German BB/Cruiser together outside the Danish Straits. I’m thinking a 5 sub buy for Germany first round might not be bad, especially if you’re looking to put off Barbarossa. With the Brits down to 2 destroyers, one of which is off Gibraltar, I’m thinking the subs would help keep the German navy alive cheap, while being hard to kill and offering tons of convoy-disruption opportunity. What say ye?
Also, what do you guys think about throwing at the British CV first round? It looked like a losing gamble to me, but leaving it alone puts the Italians in a world of hurt.
2 sunbs vs carrier, DD and tac is an attack of 4 vs 7. If both sides get a hit, it’s 1 sub vs a DD, tac and damaged carrier. The sub will likely miss and die if it attacks again. Now the tac is on an airbase and the carrier can be repaired.
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Yeah, that’s why I didn’t do it. It would take killer luck to actually make any progress.
What do you think about a 5 sub buy? Like I said, only ran about two rounds, so I didn’t get a good handle on how bad it would hurt me on the ground, but it kept the German BB alive through UK1, with a sub or three left to finish the Brit navy (well, what wasn’t in the Med.) G2. -
Yeah, that’s why I didn’t do it. It would take killer luck to actually make any progress.
What do you think about a 5 sub buy? Like I said, only ran about two rounds, so I didn’t get a good handle on how bad it would hurt me on the ground, but it kept the German BB alive through UK1, with a sub or three left to finish the Brit navy (well, what wasn’t in the Med.) G2.5 SS where? In Z112? Then, the defense is 5 SS, CC, and damaged BB, right? If you do that, I may decide to attack that fleet with the 3 fighters in England. I’ll get 1.5 hits, you’ll get 1. Then it’s 2 fts vs half a damaged BB, defending at 2. Let’s say both get a hit: you lose a CC and BB for 2 fighters. If I wanted to lose only 1 plane, I may even throw in the tac.
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If you don’t want the BB to die, you need surface ships, probably a carrier
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I lost a plane in the first assault to keep the BB undamaged, for precisely that reason. Would that influence the decision to attack?
Also, why “defending at 2”? Damaged BB still have full att/def values, don’t they?
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I lost a plane in the first assault to keep the BB undamaged, for precisely that reason. Would that influence the decision to attack?
Also, why “defending at 2”? Damaged BB still have full att/def values, don’t they?
I said defending at 2 because the 3 ftrs have an equal chance to hit 1 or 2 time, so they hit 1.5 times, leaving half a 1-hit battleship. Half of 4 is 2. It’s the average of 0 and 4.
If the BB is undamaged, 3 ftrs vrs them have 50% chance of winning, and 11% of drawing. Both sides lose average 22 ipc’s. If I add the tac, it’s 91% chance of wnning, although I may or may not still go for the Italian fleet instead. Both destroy a BB and CC, and Italy can’t replace them like Germany can
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Ah, I see. 50% isn’t too bad, if it pulls the ftr off of Italy. 9% is pretty crappy, but again, might (big might) be worth it to get the tac/carrier out of the Med. I guess I could go cruiser/3 subs…would help against the air force, but might convince the Brits to bring in their remaining BB/Dest.
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I have not played a full game yet, but on G1 there is no way I would attack Russia.
Need to kill Uk navy, France and Yugoslavia.That way on G2 you can place an IC there and get subs, or a carrier into the med to help out Italy from G3 moving on.
I can see a G3 or even G4 attack on Russia as working well. Russia goes to war on turn 4 if it wants, but Germany still get to move first and gain the initiative on the Eastern front.
I would give southern France to Italy, and let them take Greece when they are able to. And hope the Uk does not sink Italy’s fleet. The Uk can lose a lot of ships round 1, but also has the income to rebuild a fleet over time. Italy is much more strapped for cash.
From seeing posts it seems many people favor an early attach on Russia. And they all run out of steam before getting to Moscow.
Here are the main points for delaying the offensive:
Germany needs a lot of boots on the ground to sustain a drive to the East. Rounds 2-4 are great for this. After that you most likely have to watch out for the US/UK and save Italy. If you attack Russia to early you lose out on having a well prepared assault with reinforcemnts.
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Ah, I see. 50% isn’t too bad, if it pulls the ftr off of Italy. 9% is pretty crappy, but again, might (big might) be worth it to get the tac/carrier out of the Med. I guess I could go cruiser/3 subs…would help against the air force, but might convince the Brits to bring in their remaining BB/Dest.
None of the England fts would attack Taranto. That would be the Egypt fighter
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Not familiar with Taranto. If I remember right, the egypt fighter went against the eastern Italian boats, and they sent one fighter down from UK to hit the western ones with the tac/dd/cv.
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Not familiar with Taranto. If I remember right, the egypt fighter went against the eastern Italian boats, and they sent one fighter down from UK to hit the western ones with the tac/dd/cv.
1 ftr against a destroyer and cruiser? That’s the East Italisn fleet
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Hmm…they had at least one boat there, too. A cruiser or destroyer off Egypt, maybe?
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I have not played a full game yet, but on G1 there is no way I would attack Russia.
Yeah, I can’t really see trying that either. There’s a good chance to kill a lot of Russian offensive weapons, but it’s a long damn way to Moscow, and I’d rather not have the Russkies breathing down my neck while I’m still trying to secure around the homeland.
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Trick might be to attack russia with the sole goal to weaken them for the japanese attack through china.
If america puts the money into slowing up japan then they arent taking italy on round five
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Hey… got a question on German IC’s.
The setup list says that the two starting German factories are minor, is this correct or a miss-print?
Some of the forum chatter suggests that there is a major IC possibily there…
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