A lot of posters seemed stunned at this scenario, never scene it ever happen or even could happen. Now that I mulled it over last night and looked at the rules and so forth it is very obvious to me why no one has ever scene this scenario. Because the scenario makes no logical sense.
Italy DOW on Russia and moves in 2 tanks into Eastern Poland.
Russia is now at war with Italy and can DOW on Germany at the start of their next turn, turn 3.
Germany on Turn 3 does not DOW on Russia and just non combats into Eastern Poland.
Russia at the start of Turn 3 DOW on Germany and off we go.There is no logical reason why Russia would not DOW on Germany at the start of Turn 3, none.
Heck you could argue that it makes no logical sense that Germany did not DOW on Russia at the start of G3 since Italy brought Russia into the war and Russia WILL DOW on Germany on R3.
Hi PainState,
From my perspective, if I was planning on doing a G3 Barbarossa AND I wanted to drive towards the south, then yes, it makes sense to not DOW. My stack will be together except for the minimum required mobile units and maybe 1 AAA in Poland so Russia doesn’t attack Poland to get their NO for occupying an Axis territory. But E. Poland will be real strong because the German air will be there and maybe bombers will also be in range of a raid on the Moscow factory. Also, 5 IPCs is more income than I’d probably get as Germany on the 1st turn.
There are a few disadvantages of course. 1, Russian blockers can’t be attacked. 2, the Scandinavian units are behind. But for me that’s ok, I just use them to lay siege anyways. I never expect to get Moscow on turn 6 anymore. I assume that the UK/Anzac and that lone French fighter are going to get to Moscow.Â
Pacific Changes, and how they could affect global balance, DOW, and other things
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True. If it is in Pacific errata, I would think it would have been put in the Global book… since there was such a time delay between the two games.
these possible changes just came about in the last couple weeks. way too late to put in Global book. if you go to LH’s website, he’s having a discussion in regards to balancing out AAP40.
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Well, it sounds to me like if we don’t put the -NO thing we’ve been talking about for Japan and Russia, then the smart thing for Japan to do is just take down china and then swarm every last russian with their airforce. It would be a one time thing (probable the battle would only last about 1 round too) and then it’s like free 9 ipcs that Japan just advances over time into, along with not having to defend their northern border. Basically, i don’t think they should go for india until russia is wiped out. Anticipate Russia’s move. Don’t react to it.
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The AAP40 changes were posted for many to test these changes. They are not official. Please help test them for balance.
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True. If it is in Pacific errata, I would think it would have been put in the Global book… since there was such a time delay between the two games.
these possible changes just came about in the last couple weeks. way too late to put in Global book. if you go to LH’s website, he’s having a discussion in regards to balancing out AAP40.
I see… Unfortunately I am not up to date on everything; Europe/Global rules, NOs etc… even some Pacific stuff. I just haven’t had the time to root around and read all the info. :|
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I find it amusing reading about you fine folks wanting to change the global setup before you’ve had a chance to actually play it.
I have a feeling the out of box rules will do just fine with 18 Russians sitting near Manchuria. Not to mention the smaller complimentary force that will enter China from the west. And the minor complex in India that most will be sure to build.
If you’re going to complain that the initial playtesters didn’t do a great job, then lets not be premature when we get the chance to do the same. Which thankfully for most is only a few days away…
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I find it amusing reading about you fine folks wanting to change the global setup before you’ve had a chance to actually play it.
I have a feeling the out of box rules will do just fine with 18 Russians sitting near Manchuria. Not to mention the smaller complimentary force that will enter China from the west. And the minor complex in India that most will be sure to build.
If you’re going to complain that the initial playtesters didn’t do a great job, then lets not be premature when we get the chance to do the same. Which thankfully for most is only a few days away…
I like your name.
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I like your name.
Awesome hockey player. And as such - the Wehrmacht is under strict orders to not cross the Swedish frontier…
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I like your name.
Awesome hockey player. And as such - the Wehrmacht is under strict orders to not cross the Swedish frontier…
Well thank you, it is my own name after all.
Big Red Wings fan myself… I will defend Sweden with you. :-D
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I find it amusing reading about you fine folks wanting to change the global setup before you’ve had a chance to actually play it.
Larry is trying to balance AAP40, not AAE40. He realized that the J1 attack was the best option for Japan, not 1 of 3 options for Japan. He is trying to do this without changing the balance of Global.
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Precisely, global may well be better balanced, but Pacific 1940 (which has been out for about 9 months) gives Japan a distinct advantage. This is what Larry (the game creator) is trying to fix. In the interest of consistency (as I stated in my previous post), whatever setup changes are made to the Pacific setup will be the same in the global setup, thus the setup changes for Pacific must be tested in the global game as well.
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So far all the changes Larry has made would effect Global in the favour of the Allies. I saw one suggestion in the thread that wouldn’t have that large of an effect on Global, but would still balance the J1 attack. It was to move the SZ33 navy to SZ19, to prevent it from immediately joining the action. This, in addition to moving the UK transports back to safer waters and giving the ANZAC a naval base in NSW could balance Pacific and keep Global balanced too.
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I don’t think I’ll apply any change to pacific in the Global Game. And I bet I won’t be playing stand alone pacific '40 after euro 40 release, due to global playing.
But I’m sure I’ll like more the stand alone pacific 40 instead of the europe 40! So I guess I’ll apply the new adjustement only in the stand alone pacific.
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