@Table:
The bunkers are nice but tanks need to be bigger. :-D
Wow! I dug a couple of tanks from The War Game out of storage to compare and I found that the new TT pieces dwarf even them! TT’s Panther is about the size of TWG’s Tiger! TT’s Elephant is about the size of TWG’s Maus! (interesting double irony there, I guess…) Yeah, I have to say, TT: you’d best scale them down for AAA compatibility.
Yes I got my four sets of TT units yesterday and the tanks are quite large. For the most part not good for AA. Maybe can be used for BotB using ILs larger map. I made my first two bunkers out of the infantry pedestals. Cut the gun off the top and then drilled a small hole in the center of the portal that is located on the edge. Glued a portion of a gun in the drilled hole. Looks like one of those small bunkers on the Maginot line.
Check out my photo of bunker prototypes made from TT infantry units next to AA tanks.
I finally got my bunkers into a game setup. This is ILs 1939 game setup with bunkers made from TTs infantry pedestals. There are four in this photo. One in Gibralter, one on Malta, one in France and one in Germany.
I find it funny that you don’t use chips. It makes the map look small, but whatever you like is fine.
Reminds me of this guy on ebay who sells AA naval pieces. He does this same thing.
@Imperious:
I find it funny that you don’t use chips. It makes the map look small, but whatever you like is fine.
Reminds me of this guy on ebay who sells AA naval pieces. He does this same thing.
I will probably set it up in Europe with chips just before we start the game so it wont be so crowded. Thats what I did in our game last week which was A&AG1940. Europe is even smaller in that game.
DrLarsen, I agree with most of your choices.
I would suggest the T-26 as the Soviet light tank for two reasons: It was heavily produced in the early war years, and also very recognizable.
Secondly, the T-26 allows you to use it and the Panzer II in Spanish Civil War scenarios.
I think Jack should produce a Self-Propelled Artillery piece for all nations as well.
I see this as being one of the most popular pieces, and probably the next piece introduced in a future AA game.
Russia: Katyushas
Germany: Hummel
US: Priest
Etc.
I think this game miss a Heavy Artillery piece, that attacks on 4 or less, defend on 2 or less, and cost 7 IPC.
I also think we need a Blockhouse unit that defend on 5 or less and cost 6 IPC. As in the real world, a blockhouse will assure the destruction of one attacking unit. If you defend a territory with 4 infantry you are never sure they will kill any enemy before they are killed themselves.
DrLarsen, I agree with most of your choices.
I would suggest the T-26 as the Soviet light tank for two reasons: It was heavily produced in the early war years, and also very recognizable.
Secondly, the T-26 allows you to use it and the Panzer II in Spanish Civil War scenarios.
Then again, he’s already done a T-70; so maybe he should just go with that one (so many good choices made in large #'s for Soviet light tanks…)
I think Jack should produce a Self-Propelled Artillery piece for all nations as well.
I see this as being one of the most popular pieces, and probably the next piece introduced in a future AA game.
Russia: Katyushas
Germany: Hummel
US: Priest
Etc.
Notice that one of my US choices is the M7 (which is the same thing as the Priest) The Nashorn is almost identical on this scale to the Hummel, so one designed as one could probably be used as either. But you’re right that this is another potential unit type, and not just a type that is totally the same as a TD… I shall think on it…
Reloader:
I would focus more on actual vehicles/tanks/planes/extra unit classes…
I have designed units for molding the L7 Priest and the Katyusha multiple rocket launcher.
Would you all have a problem with units produced in 2 pieces that would be glued or snapped together?
I think Jack should produce a Self-Propelled Artillery piece for all nations as well.
I see this as being one of the most popular pieces, and probably the next piece introduced in a future AA game.
Russia: Katyushas
Germany: Hummel
US: PriestEtc.
Woops I posted before I got this far.
Now how about self-propelled AA guns like the Quad 50? :-D
I think this game miss a Heavy Artillery piece, that attacks on 4 or less, defend on 2 or less, and cost 7 IPC.
I also think we need a Blockhouse unit that defend on 5 or less and cost 6 IPC. As in the real world, a blockhouse will assure the destruction of one attacking unit. If you defend a territory with 4 infantry you are never sure they will kill any enemy before they are killed themselves.
Would the Heavy Artillery have to be larger or just make a bigger dia barrel?
You know if all this comes about then the maps will need to be ping pong table size and I will need to make those sticks they used to move pieces around.
Would the Heavy Artillery have to be larger or just make a bigger dia barrel?
It would be different models altogether. I would suggest Medium (regular) Artillery be drawn from the most commonly-used pieces for each nation ranging between 70mm-105mm and Heavy Artillery be from larger pieces (like the US 155mm or the Soviet 122mm)
You know if all this comes about then the maps will need to be ping pong table size and I will need to make those sticks they used to move pieces around.
Was that supposed to scare us off? :-D I already have such a map (from TWG) though I’d be in the market for a better one if I find it! The sticks weren’t necessary… but they might still be a fun accessory… :-D
Oh, TT, which model of Semovente is that in your Italian set? I’m working over the suggestions table I put in above, adding Italy and Japan to it and substituting the ones you’ve already made on it to minimize the # of new scupts while maximizing the number of usable new unit types for each nation…
Oh, TT, which model of Semovente is that in your Italian set? I’m working over the suggestions table I put in above, adding Italy and Japan to it and substituting the ones you’ve already made on it to minimize the # of new scupts while maximizing the number of usable new unit types for each nation…
Semovente M41M da 90/53, 90mm Gun on M14/41 Chassis
Which sculpts from the new table tactics models are in scale with axis and allies models.
Which sculpts from the new table tactics models are in scale with axis and allies models.
Unfortunately, imho, none of them right now. However, he’s seriously contemplating making a major revision of his latest product to bring them more into scale, which is where we’re at with this thread right now. He said it woudn’t be too hard for him to scale them down via his electronic modeling program, but he needs the capital to do more runs in the new scale… and while he checks into this, we’re giving him advice on how else to modify/ expand his list of scupts to do a more compatible and/or complete product line…
Did I summarize all this correctly, TT?
Ta-Da! Here it is! :-D My new table of suggestions specifically designed to minimize the # of new sculpts for TT while maximizing the # of unit options for his customer base, and including Italy and Japan (which have no true “heavies” to speak of, but after a bit of digging I found an example of just about everything else in their potential line-up…)
| Unit
Light Tank
(5-15t)
Medium-Light
(15-20t)
Medium Tank
(18-32t)
Medium-Heavy
30-45t
Heavy Tank
(40+ tons)
Super-Heavy
(60+ tons)
Medium Tank Dest.
SP Gun
Heavy Tank Dest.
| Germany
Panzer II
Panzer IV
Panther
Tiger
Nashorn
Hummel*
Elefant
| USSR
T-70
T34
IS-2*
SU-85
Katyusha
ISU-152
| US
Stuart
M24
Sherman
Pershing
M18 Hellcat
M7 Priest
M36
| UK
Crusader
Sherman
Cromwell
Comet*
Achilles TD*
M7 Priest
| Japan
Kyu-Go
Chi-Ha
Chi-Nu*
Type 1 Ho-Ni*
Type 4 Ho-Ro
| Italy
CA L 6/40*
CA M 14/41
CA P 40*
Semovente 75/18
Semovente 90/53
|
Notes on the table above:
1. Bolded vehicles are scupts he’s specifically mentioned that he’s already done (and now just needs to get the size right.) Bolded labels in the left-had column are the 5 afv-types from my previous chart.
2. The uneven rows between columns are deliberate: one man’s light is another’s medium… so I used a fairly objective standard of tonnage+caliber of main armament, added “tweener” categories of “Medium-Light”, “Medium-Heavy” and “Super-Heavy.” This way, given a certain range of options, the player’s house rules can determine whether to consider the Panther, for instance, (which, heck, he’s already done) as a medium, a heavy, or even as, say, a special 3/3/2/7 “Medium-Heavy.”
3. Note that the Stuart, Crusader, & T-70 are a half-step heavier than the Panzer II and what the Japanese and Italians classed as light tanks (5-10t, 20mm-40mm guns.) These three are also and nearly in a class with what the Japanese and Italians classed as “medium tanks,” (which ranged 11-18t, 37mm-57mm guns.) (Note that the “M” in the Italian tanks nomenclature stands for “Medium” and the Chi-Ha is often called a “medium” even thought it was really closer to an American Stuart than an American Sherman in performance & Stats…) I leave how to handle this discrepancy up for further discussion:
a. If TT does a P40 and Chi-Nu, this partly solves the problem, as it gives both of these nations an 18t+ tank with a 75mm main gun, which is good enough to qualify as a “medium” in my book.
b. If TT also does an Italian “True Light” tank like the L6/40 and one of the Japanese “Ho-Ni” SP guns, it gives these two countries a parallel 4-vehicle range and the end-users could decide whether to consider the “tweeners” as lights or as “mediums” via house rules, as well as whether to consider the Ho-Ni and Semovente as TD’s or SP’s by house rules…
4. The Nashorn and Hummel were built on the exact same chassis mod, the only difference being which gun was installed. On this scale they’d probably look identical. Which category to put them in would be another “house rules” question.
More notes:
5. For those unfamiliar with Italian military vehicle nomenclature:
a. The “CA” in the Italian tanks column is my abbreviation for “Carro Armato” which means “Armored Tank.” It was used for all of the Italian turreted/ tracked/ armored vehicles, and wasn’t just a name for one model.
b. The “L” abbreviation is for “Leggero” (“light”), “M” for "Medio (“Medium”), P for “Pesante” (“Heavy.”) The numbers in these official designations stand for the weight in tons and the year of adoption. Hence the L6/40 means (“Light, 6 tons, 1940”) and M14/41 means (“Medium, 14 tons, 1941.”) The full designation for the P40 was P26/40…
c. “Semovente” is Italian for “self-propelled” and was used on all the non-turreted/ tracked guns. These seem to have been named by their gun: the Semovente 75/18 used the 75/18 gun, etc.
6. If you really want to do a 5-vehicle range for both Italy and Japan, the table above gives very close equivalents between the two nations in 5 categories, though, as mentioned before, an Italian/Japanese “Heavy” is really a “medium” to everyone else. Again, house rules could determine how to handle this. As far as the SP guns, I’d say that the 75/18, though one of the best Italian AFV’s would be a low priority for you, as FMG already did it and you already did the 90/53. For Japanese SP’s I’d say go with the Type 1 Ho-Ni as it was the most widely used one; the Ho-Ro was made in very limited #'s.
One more thing:
7. I put an asterisk beside the ones I think to be the highest priority sculpts to fill out the line-up, with the idea in mind of having at least a 5-vehicle line-up for the four with heavies and a 4-vehicle line-up for the heavy-less Japan and Italy. As to why I picked what I did:
a. I picked the Hummel over the Nashorn as I figure it’s easier and safer to go with a shorter/wider barrel.
b. The IS-2 is key as the only Russian tank that could really match up against a Tiger.
c. The US line-up could benefit from an M36, but heck, TT’s already done 6 US sculpts…
That leaves only 8 more total sculpts to put together a 4-6 afv line-up for 6 nations! Then its just a matter of size and color and its on to the air and sea units…
One more thing:
7. I put an asterisk beside the ones I think to be the highest priority sculpts to fill out the line-up, with the idea in mind of having at least a 5-vehicle line-up for the four with heavies and a 4-vehicle line-up for the heavy-less Japan and Italy. As to why I picked what I did:
a. I picked the Hummel over the Nashorn as I figure it’s easier and safer to go with a shorter/wider barrel.
b. The IS-2 is key as the only Russian tank that could really match up against a Tiger.
c. The US line-up could benefit from an M36, but heck, TT’s already done 6 US sculpts…That leaves only 8 more total sculpts to put together a 4-6 afv line-up for 6 nations! Then its just a matter of size and color and its on to the air and sea units…
The wespe is a better (105mm) counterpart then the hummel (150mm) to the priest (105mm), imho. For artillery, I like what you have suggested earlier, except that guns below 100mm should probably be considered light not medium. Though 3 categories is pushing it for game purposes, I suppose. A jagpanzer IV might be a better TD than a nashorn, the latter being a cheap to make lightly armored stopgap vehicle.
