Good Action Argo ! Sounds way cool. Do you plan on making a triplea version ?
Table Tactics New Product Release
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Italy
Superbattleship: BB1936 Class (basically a scaled-up, 16”-gun Littorio)
I haven’t checked my copy of Garzke and Dulin’s reference book on Axis battleships, but I don’t recall Italy ever having planned to build any 16" uprated version of the Littorio class. Is this a fictitious design or, if not, could you let me know where the information on this projected class comes from?
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Remember that was before 1942 came out with “bigger” ships.
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No, it’s not a fictitious design, though it’s obviously not one that they decided to go through with. In fact, the Sovietsky Soyuz design that the Soviets launched but never finished was based on this Italian Ansaldo design (though maybe not as closely as I’d originally thought; still if you compare the Sovietsky Soyuz and the Littorio side-by-side, the family resemblance is obvious). I got my info from Wayne Scarpaci’s recent book on Italian BB’s. So, like most of the “superbattleships” on my list, it’s not one that was built, but it’s one that could have been if the Italians had decided it was a priority (though they probably wouldn’t have been able to finish it on time in the real world.)
The French had likewise created three different alternative up-sized versions of the Richelieu class, my favorite being the version with 3 four-barrel 15" turrets. (I think 12 15" probably beats 8-9 16" unless possibly you’re going toe-to-toe with a real monster like a Yamato.) Wayne seems to think that they’d ultimately decided on a more conventional 9x16" though in his book on French BB’s.
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for coaches idea with infantry, Samurai Swords had some units with unique bases taht worked out fine heres a link to a pic http://boardgamegeek.com/image/385022/samurai-swords
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Well, TT:
They arrived (very quickly, I might add) and I really like them! I would have to say though, that I have to agree that they are a bit on the big side for mixing with standard AAA pieces. I also kinda wish you’d done Soviet units (with JSII’s!) in the first run instead of the Italians, so I could use them as upgrade heavies for the Soviets, seeing as the Italians didn’t have any heavy tanks. I’m thinking of using the Italian panthers as temporary stand-ins until something better presents itself… Maybe FMG will have a solution in its up-coming pieces line-up, though it seems to be taking forever to roll out…
The small arms on stands are an interesting concept and well-executed, except that I wish that all the standard rifles didn’t have the same SMLE profile. Given the level of detail, I’d think you could’ve done a creditable Kar98, M1 Garand and Mannlicher Carcano in the scale. But this is probably trifling, especially since I probably won’t use them anyway. I still say it’s better to stick with soldier-figures for the infantry.
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Wow! I dug a couple of tanks from The War Game out of storage to compare and I found that the new TT pieces dwarf even them! TT’s Panther is about the size of TWG’s Tiger! TT’s Elephant is about the size of TWG’s Maus! (interesting double irony there, I guess…) Yeah, I have to say, TT: you’d best scale them down for AAA compatibility.
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OMg this is really bad news…
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Wow! I dug a couple of tanks from The War Game out of storage to compare and I found that the new TT pieces dwarf even them! TT’s Panther is about the size of TWG’s Tiger! TT’s Elephant is about the size of TWG’s Maus! (interesting double irony there, I guess…) Yeah, I have to say, TT: you’d best scale them down for AAA compatibility.
Yes I got my four sets of TT units yesterday and the tanks are quite large. For the most part not good for AA. Maybe can be used for BotB using ILs larger map. I made my first two bunkers out of the infantry pedestals. Cut the gun off the top and then drilled a small hole in the center of the portal that is located on the edge. Glued a portion of a gun in the drilled hole. Looks like one of those small bunkers on the Maginot line.
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Any chance the TT tanks are big enough for Tide of Iron?
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@Table:
I buy anything that has the same size as the regulare A&A pieces
I will buy anything that’s the same size as A&A, the same colours as A&A and also has Infantry pieces that resemble A&A.
OUCH! but I hear my infantry make nice pill boxes. :cry:
Don’t get me wrong. Your armor units are great! They’re just the wrong size. But your infantry is just not my cup of tea.
Someone on BoardGameGeek suggested to me that it is the WotC are the wrong size. :-D
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Wow! I dug a couple of tanks from The War Game out of storage to compare and I found that the new TT pieces dwarf even them! TT’s Panther is about the size of TWG’s Tiger! TT’s Elephant is about the size of TWG’s Maus! (interesting double irony there, I guess…) Yeah, I have to say, TT: you’d best scale them down for AAA compatibility.
Yes I got my four sets of TT units yesterday and the tanks are quite large. For the most part not good for AA. Maybe can be used for BotB using ILs larger map. I made my first two bunkers out of the infantry pedestals. Cut the gun off the top and then drilled a small hole in the center of the portal that is located on the edge. Glued a portion of a gun in the drilled hole. Looks like one of those small bunkers on the Maginot line.
Not that I am happy your cutting my guns off but I kind of thank that is a cool move on making bunkers.
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Hmm, I think I might have mixed them in with some old wider panthers. I don’t know if I noticed any difference vs previous wider panthers, but maybe I wasn’t looking close enough. The bottom line is that for me to use it, a tiger/JSII class tank MUST be at least noticeably bigger than the wider version of the panther to make sense and avoid heavy/medium tank confusion. That probably means creating a Pershing that is a little larger than scale. Same for a Cromwell if that’s what we’re stuck with for UK heavy tank, though the Cromwell was actually in the Sherman/Panzer IV/T-34 class. The UK should really use Cromwells instead of, or as an equivalent option for, Shermans in the medium class. The UK could then use Comets for a size-up heavy. (The Panther was actually heavier than the Sherman/Cromwell/Panzer IV/T-34 class of tanks; you could argue that a US Pershing and/or UK Comet was more an equivalent of a Panther than of a Tiger or JSII, but having 4 sizes is definitely too many; I’m not sure if I’d even really use more than 2 in my own house rules.)
No one else even had a tank in the heavy class that I know of.
I see the Tiger in a class by it’s self. There were other larger tanks but they never seemed to make production or much less see the battlefield.
This is where I am confused. All of you seem to have a great knowledge of WWII armor and talk like miniature players that want a game board with area and hex movement instead of pulling out a tape measure over Astroturf on a Ping-Pong table. So I tried to make a group of crossover armor and most of you think they are to big. When I put them on some of the A&A maps they work fine except in Europe. But in Europe nothing works because of the small areas and it is the focus of most of the battles. My new and more tank and infantry options do add to the problem but I think a new map is in order with an eyeglass view of Europe.
Sorry I have been away for a few days with family emergencies.
Also if you’re on BoardGameGeek, Table Tactics now has a microbadge. If you wanted one and are a short on GeekGold let me know and I will pass some along.
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The problem is that we do not want to invest in a new line of miniatures that will not work with the exiting ones we have.
AAA size is what people are using, 1/285 or 1/300 work also with the AAA tanks. Since FMG is doing their line, a good sideline would to do , light and heavy armor, early war fighters, jets, early war battleships, heavy battleships, escort and heavy carriers.
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Yes we want big boards, but lets face it your tanks are out of scale with the other ground troop pieces. I just dont get the infantry sorry. :| I think a real oppertunity missed here. If you change what your doing in the future, I will happily buy your products.
Things needed:
anti-tank guns
German Rail Gun
Fixed artillery gun (like Singapore 1942 game)
Coastal defense guns
blockhouses
Rail stations
Kayusha rockets and German V2 rockets -
These are good too!
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Jack,
I hear the final nail in the coffin for the French pieces…
Methinks that they will be in A&A size after all? Tell us it is so!
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Just to be clear, TT, please don’t see this as a critique of your pieces, per se. I actually think I rather like them in the size that they are. The issue isn’t one of perfect accuracy; in this we aren’t like the miniatures/ tactical wargamer. I think I can speak with confidence that the strategic wargamer, represented by the AAA boardgames crowd is more interested and more concerned with the overall look of the piece set, on the board, as a whole, rather than individually perfect pieces.
…So, if you did a complete set of pieces with AFV’s all set to the scale of yours, planes set to a scale not bigger than TWG, infantry to somewhere around HO scale, ships not bigger than 1/3000 scale, etc, all in affordable plastic… I’d happily fill my FMG Ammo box with them and be thrilled with the purchase!
The problem comes when you have less than a complete set from any one manufacturer and thus have to mix and match.
And the only manufacturer that makes a usably complete model line (in affordable plastic, anyway) currently is WotC, so if your goal is to create a set of accessories that supplements or fills in the gaps in their line-up, matching them in color and size is gonna be key.
FMG has promised such a set eventually, though, so perhaps filling in FMG’s gaps is the ideal project (Unless FMG takes too long, in which case an alternative complete set might be an opportunity…) You’re idea of creating a perfect board might also be a good one, perhaps supplemented with doing some categories FMG couldn’t get to in their first run (like “Superbattleships” or “paratroops”). If you two coordinated, it could be ideal: him doing a complete piece set and an awesome piece storage box, you doing a compatible supplementary piece set and an awesome new board! I’d spend some money putting together a set like that! (I already have started to, actually, having sprung for the ammo box, along with just about any AAA and accessory product I’ve ever been able to find…)
With pieces, though, the key is, to either be COMPLETE or COMPATIBLE, because if you’re neither then the strategic gamer doesn’t know what to do with your stuff and will buy some to show his support, perhaps, but not nearly as much as he would otherwise.
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What he said :-D
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I see the Tiger in a class by it’s self. There were other larger tanks but they never seemed to make production or much less see the battlefield.
For the most part you’re probably right that the Tiger was in a class by itself, as the Western “heavies” weren’t as big. The Josef Stalin II tank (JSII) was dimensionally bigger (if a tad lighter), had a bigger gun (if a lower velocity) and was actually made and fielded in bigger numbers than the Tiger.
Admittedly, the Western “heavies” were both smaller and made in smaller numbers, but they were competitive and they could have been made in larger numbers if priorities had been different. (One of the big Monday-morning-quarterback questions of the war is “Should the US have given a higher priority to the Pershing or would it have hurt Sherman production too much to do it?” I think it isn’t an easy question, because I don’t think the Sherman was a bad as its critics often make it out to be, and yet I don’t think that giving more resources to the Pershing would have done as much damage to the logistic process as those who held up the Pershing claimed it would have… And Monday-morning-quarterback questions are just the sort of thing that arm-chair-generals love…)
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GOing by what Dr. Larsen said - remember your original A&A product - “We Need More Stuff!”
Your primary market will always be Axis & Allies gamers. They “want more stuff”, but stuff that works with what they have (same size, etc)
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