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Pepsi or coke
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@Dylan:
OK, that disqualifies coke. Pepsi wins.
Coke is located in Atlanta why would they sell to the [expletive deleted] Nazis?
Well in 1925 they were not yet THE NAZIS. Around that time they were ‘merely’ a popular political movement and even in the 20’s advertisers had an ear for what was ‘popular.’ It is wise to be aware of viewing history through present context and preference. It is not unreasonable for some young ad man to not have a full understanding of what he was marketing.
I’d also suggest that is not a swastika in the Nazi usage being that it is not rotated the typical 45 degrees. The symbol is traditionally a Hindu symbol of protection and good fortune. Also the language is in English. I must wonder if it is marketing for Coke in India or perhaps a fabrication from a round or square badge of some sort.
What is the original source of this image? Were these badges common? How and where were they distributed? When and why did Coke decide to produce these? Is this something that would have been solely under the pervue of a German division of Coke? i.e. created by Germans for Germany as opposed to the suggestion above by the U.S. for Nazis. An executive in the US is likely to defer to the judgment of an executive or manager in Germany on this type of matter is he not?
:lol: “We report” –- Coke used swastikas in advertising — “you decide” — form a negative opinion of Coke. What is the rest of this story? What is the information that has been left out?
Or maybe the pictures photoshopped.
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@Dylan:
Or maybe the pictures photoshopped.
That seems quite possible to me as well. The whole thing seems pretty hinky. Why does it say “Drink” and not “Getränk” or “Bottles” and not “Flaschen” and are fractions of a mark cents?
Perhaps this is the original source of the image? A lot of folks waste a lot of air over liberal/conservative but it seems to me the real enemy is corporatism.
Although this seems more like the item in this thread.
This seems fairly scholarly but I haven’t finished reading or attempted to verify anything in it.
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From my last link above.
The Company had gained a small, but respectable foothold by the time the crucial year of 1933 came around.
It cannot be overemphasized, however, that a big portion of this success must be attributed to what the Coca- Cola ads failed to mention: Coke’s U.S. roots. The Company had successfully established itself as a German brand in the unconscious mind of the soda-drinking public. The following anecdote shows just how successful the Company was in this respect: When a group of German prisoners of war debarked in Hoboken, New Jersey, in early 1945, one of the first things that caught their eyes was a large Coca-Cola sign. This prompted excitement among the Germans and when one of the guards demanded an explanation for their behaviour, he received the answer: “We are surprised that you have Coca- Cola here too.”
And that is all about advertisement and controlling the message. The Germans didn’t know they were buying stuff from an American company and no doubt Americans didn’t know they were buying stuff from a company selling to Nazis. Corporations have only one loyalty.
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So from reading the links it seems like a few posts above that the swaslistka was good.
I could easily take those pics and make them have German language.
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Before becoming associated with THE NAZIS the swastika was recognized as a symbol of good fortune or protection in many cultures.
The watch fob which started this tangent had nothing to do with THE NAZIS. Being released before Coke’s entry into Germany in 1929.
However the connection that was being implied by the watch fob would appear to be factual. Coca-Cola as a corporation sold to both sides during the war and likely engaged in, let’s use the current polite term, ‘lobbying’ of government officials in Nazi Germany and its occupied territories to not only avoid being put out of business but to comparatively thrive.
Coca-Cola would hardly appear to be alone. That article also asks the larger question.
…it’s about a controversy over the German insurance company Allianz buying the naming rights to the new New York Giants and Jets football stadium.
That’s controversial because Allianz has very famous Nazi ties – they insured Auschwitz,…
Since World War Two ended, Allianz has officially apologized for its role in the Holocaust and has paid several million dollars in restitution. Which brings me to a larger point here: At what point should we say to Nazi collaborating companies, “OK. You’ve apologized, you’ve paid, none of your current employees worked with the Nazis, it’s time to move on”?
Because there are a TON of companies that worked with the Nazis.
Thyssen-Krupp is building a steel mill in Alabama. Fritz Thyssen was an early financial supporter of the Nazis although he later had 'second thoughts. Source.
To patronize collaborators or not? How long should a grudge be held?
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Man should be judged for his own crimes, not for his father’s.
This is the whole premise for those in minority communities (some, not all) demanding restitution for the injustices of the past… Is it fair for a man to pay for his father’s sins… or even the sins of men to whom he is not related other than by skin color? … I am no racist, I am simply saying that no man should have to pay for his ancestors crimes, if he has not commited any himself. There are small exceptions, in personal cases, but as a whole, it is not a just policy.
George W. Bush did not help the Nazis. John F. Kennedy did not bootleg liquor during Prohibition. While it may be that their families reputations precede them, and people will always see others by association… but for my part, I give each man the benefit of the doubt and his due of “innocent until proven guilty”.
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Man should be judged for his own crimes, not for his father’s.
This is the whole premise for those in minority communities (some, not all) demanding restitution for the injustices of the past… Is it fair for a man to pay for his father’s sins… or even the sins of men to whom he is not related other than by skin color? … I am no racist, I am simply saying that no man should have to pay for his ancestors crimes, if he has not commited any himself. There are small exceptions, in personal cases, but as a whole, it is not a just policy.
George W. Bush did not help the Nazis. John F. Kennedy did not bootleg liquor during Prohibition. While it may be that their families reputations precede them, and people will always see others by association… but for my part, I give each man the benefit of the doubt and his due of “innocent until proven guilty”.
What exactly do you mean by restitution? Affirmative action? Welfare?
I agree with you on all points.
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What exactly do you mean by restitution? Affirmative action? Welfare?
I agree with you on all points.
“Restitution” being a general term…
I considered Affirmative Action, but I don’t mean just that. As for welfare, I don’t see how it could be directly applied to my comments, since it deals more with compensation than restitution.
There are people, of all walks of life, who have an ‘entitlement mentality’ … thinking that they are owed some things, or that it is their right to have certain things. This mentality is a direct accomplice to the idea of restitution. But the idea of restitution refers more to the belief that the previously oppressed are owed repayment by the decendants of the oppressors. I did not mean to relate this to specific policy, but rather to a train of thought… or upbringing.
But this has nothing to do with Coke… so I apologize for this tangent.
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i came across this pic, showing the evolution of both cola logo’s:
In the early days clearly the Pepsi logo was a rip-off of the Coca Cola logo (as well as the drink itself was, probably). I was surprised that the Coca COla logo was already that old (in kinda it’s current shape, i mean)
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This is pretty cool SpecialForces… 8-)
Being a Coke proponent, I have always viewed Pepsi as an imitator of the original: Coca-Cola… As I was very certain that Coke was older.
It is interesting to see how the Coca-cola script has stayed almost exactly the same for over 100 years… a testament to genius. I believe the Coca-cola script, wave and red/white color scheme is one of the simplest and most attractive symbols in the world.
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Coke
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That’s really interesting special forces. The Coke logo has been pretty much the same (either the fancy script or block letters) since it was invented, but Pepsi has changed a lot and added their red-white-blue circle logo mid-way through their existance.
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Always Coca Cola, and I remember the 1990’s logo, still love seeing it.
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coke is winning :-D :-) 8-) :lol: :-P :evil: :roll: :mrgreen:
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Is it just me or does the new Pepsi symbol look like the President Obama symbol?
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@skinny1:
Is it just me or does the new Pepsi symbol look like the President Obama symbol?
Their in bed with each other I’ll warrant… :evil:
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I have seen the light! I am changing to Coke.
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@Imperious:
Iced Tea, then Stewart’s Diet Root-beer.
last resort Diet Pepsi
Worst drink ever: Mountain Dew/Code Red or anything with Prune Juice or Cherries ( Dr. Pepper).
It appears you are my opposite IL (The Good Captain Kirk vs Bad Captain Kirk of Axis and Allies). I am convinced God maid Dr. Pepper for me, knowing I would arrive in 1973.
Although I worked 7 years for Pepsi, Coke does taste better. (Normally)
“Throwback” Pepsi is nice though. (Uses real sugar instead of corn syrup: currently available in the St. Louis Market for a limited time)
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Anything Fagyo followed by IBC or Dr. Pepper
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Pepsi is just a take off of coke and tastes really bad.
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