Heavy Bombers - FAQ change and other options

[gamerman01]

@calvinhobbesliker:

@gamerman01:

@Fleetwood:

I can’t take credit for the idea but forgot who said it. Anyhow, one compromise I read for conventional attacks is making Heavy Bombers roll 2 dice at 3. The strength in HB’s was always rolling multiple dice for the potential of multiple hits for a single unit. If it’s too strong at 4, knock it down to 3. Has anyone tried this before?

I very nearly suggested this in the post I just made.  I haven’t run the math, but I’m thinking it’s too weak, and that’s why I didn’t suggest it.  It almost needs to be 1 at 3 and 1 at 4, I think.

Regular bombers hit 66% of the time. Rolling 2 at 4 will get 1 hit 50% of the time and 2 hits 25% of the time. 75% of the time, you’ll get at least 1 hit

I thought they got 2 hits 2/3 * 2/3 of the time = 4/9, not 25%.

[calvinhobbesliker]

@gamerman01:

@calvinhobbesliker:

@gamerman01:

@Fleetwood:

I can’t take credit for the idea but forgot who said it. Anyhow, one compromise I read for conventional attacks is making Heavy Bombers roll 2 dice at 3. The strength in HB’s was always rolling multiple dice for the potential of multiple hits for a single unit. If it’s too strong at 4, knock it down to 3. Has anyone tried this before?

I very nearly suggested this in the post I just made.  I haven’t run the math, but I’m thinking it’s too weak, and that’s why I didn’t suggest it.  It almost needs to be 1 at 3 and 1 at 4, I think.

Regular bombers hit 66% of the time. Rolling 2 at 4 will get 1 hit 50% of the time and 2 hits 25% of the time. 75% of the time, you’ll get at least 1 hit

I thought they got 2 hits 2/3 * 2/3 of the time = 4/9, not 25%.

No, I’m talking about the proposed version where you roll 2@3, instead of 2@4

[gamerman01]

25% would be 2 hits with 2@3

So 2@3 would be
At least 1 hit = 75% of the time
2 hits = 25% of the time

1@4
1 hit = 66.7%
2 hits = never

2@4
At least 1 hit = 88.9%
2 hits = 44.4%

Best of 2 dice @ 4 (current FAQ)
1 hit = 88.9%
2 hits = never

1@3, 1@4
At least 1 hit = 83.3%
2 hits = 33.3%

And now I have run the math.

[calvinhobbesliker]

Yep  :-D
Now anyone can decide what is too strong

[Lema099]

Interesting ideas - so many choices!  :-o

[gamerman01]

@Lema099:

Interesting ideas - so many choices!  :-o

:-) Yeah, it’s almost a relief sometimes to play in the league where you don’t have any choices.

When not in league, I’m now going to decide between 2@3 and 1@3, 1@4.

I played 2@4 (2 hits possible) for quite awhile, and it’s a bit too strong especially for killing fleets.

Best of 2 dice (current FAQ) and max 6 damage on SBR is too weak, I think.

[gamerman01]

@Lema099:

Interesting ideas - so many choices!  :-o

Hehe - we could add more.  How about 1@4 and 1@2?

At least 1 hit = 77.8%
2 hits = 22.2%

Compare this to 2@3.  Slightly better chance of getting a hit, but slightly less chance of 2 hits.

Also, I remember seeing on this site that some folks play 1@6

So, at least 1 hit = 100%
2 hits = never

Again, a little better than best of 2 dice @ 4, but no chance of double hit.

[a44bigdog]

I really prefer the 2 hit HBs. Sure they can do some damage but they have no staying power in combat. Myself I was never worried about them if my opponent got them.

[gamerman01]

@a44bigdog:

I really prefer the 2 hit HBs. Sure they can do some damage but they have no staying power in combat. Myself I was never worried about them if my opponent got them.

They are real hard on fleets, though.  Especially the long range variety.

[calvinhobbesliker]

@a44bigdog:

I really prefer the 2 hit HBs. Sure they can do some damage but they have no staying power in combat. Myself I was never worried about them if my opponent got them.

What’s staying power  :?

[gamerman01]

@calvinhobbesliker:

@a44bigdog:

I really prefer the 2 hit HBs. Sure they can do some damage but they have no staying power in combat. Myself I was never worried about them if my opponent got them.

What’s staying power  :?

They still go down with 1 hit.  So if you attack like 4 infantry with 2 heavies and 1 infantry, you are quite likely to lose a heavy or two.

Also, when you get 2 hit heavies, the tendency is to use them for more things - strat bomb more often, raid fleets and stray tanks, infantry, fighters, bombers, whatever, more often - results in losing them quicker.

If this is not what you meant, bigdog, please let us know because I’d be curious to know what you meant, if not this.

[a44bigdog]

That is exactly what I meant, and it is especially true in Naval attacks since there may not be anything available for “fodder”.

4 of the 2 dice Heavy bombers can yield 8 hits, but they better get the job done quick, 2 hits and that 8 hits becomes 4, with 3 it is down to just 2 for follow on rounds. So while yes they can deal some initial heavy damage to a fleet, they have no staying power for sustained combat and some proper fodder will see them disposed of.

[gamerman01]

@a44bigdog:

That is exactly what I meant, and it is especially true in Naval attacks since there may not be anything available for “fodder”.

4 of the 2 dice Heavy bombers can yield 8 hits, but they better get the job done quick, 2 hits and that 8 hits becomes 4, with 3 it is down to just 2 for follow on rounds. So while yes they can deal some initial heavy damage to a fleet, they have no staying power for sustained combat and some proper fodder will see them disposed of.

Great point, and thanks for confirming.  I didn’t want to speak for you, but was pretty sure that’s what you meant, and I can’t resist answering a question if I think I know the answer.  :-P

[Wilson2]

I would stick with 2 dice (or maybe 2@3). This pick best is just ridiculous. Seriously, the more and more errata (and “FAQ” - lol) they add, the worse the game becomes.