A lot of posters seemed stunned at this scenario, never scene it ever happen or even could happen. Now that I mulled it over last night and looked at the rules and so forth it is very obvious to me why no one has ever scene this scenario. Because the scenario makes no logical sense.
Italy DOW on Russia and moves in 2 tanks into Eastern Poland.
Russia is now at war with Italy and can DOW on Germany at the start of their next turn, turn 3.
Germany on Turn 3 does not DOW on Russia and just non combats into Eastern Poland.
Russia at the start of Turn 3 DOW on Germany and off we go.There is no logical reason why Russia would not DOW on Germany at the start of Turn 3, none.
Heck you could argue that it makes no logical sense that Germany did not DOW on Russia at the start of G3 since Italy brought Russia into the war and Russia WILL DOW on Germany on R3.
Hi PainState,
From my perspective, if I was planning on doing a G3 Barbarossa AND I wanted to drive towards the south, then yes, it makes sense to not DOW. My stack will be together except for the minimum required mobile units and maybe 1 AAA in Poland so Russia doesn’t attack Poland to get their NO for occupying an Axis territory. But E. Poland will be real strong because the German air will be there and maybe bombers will also be in range of a raid on the Moscow factory. Also, 5 IPCs is more income than I’d probably get as Germany on the 1st turn.
There are a few disadvantages of course. 1, Russian blockers can’t be attacked. 2, the Scandinavian units are behind. But for me that’s ok, I just use them to lay siege anyways. I never expect to get Moscow on turn 6 anymore. I assume that the UK/Anzac and that lone French fighter are going to get to Moscow.Â
Unstoppable Germany
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I seem to have trouble against Germany and would like some advice for the Allies.
Round one:
Germany attacks France and Royal Navy. UK build all inf and hit Italian navy.Round two:
Germany begins it’s attack on Russia. Luftwaffe strategic bomb London. UK builds fighters to defend.Round three-four:
UK manages to kick Italy out of Africa, but Luftwaffe pressure makes Royal Navy operations around Britain untenable. London is still being bombed. Meanwhile the Germans’ relentless attack in Russia takes Leningrad and the Ukraine factory. Russia can either abandon these without a fight or lose their armies there. US supports UK in the Med and with fighters in UK.Round five-six:
Germany wins in Russia. UK and US attempts D-day in either Normandy or Italy, but in both cases have trouble to hold their bridgeheads. Germany becomes unstoppable.Options:
1. Take Norway? Impossible because of Luftwaffe.
2. Should Russia defend Leningrad and Ukraine, or just fall back? What should Russia build? I’ve tried mostly inf, but a few tanks and a fighter here and there.
3. Once Italy is on the defensive, how should the Western Allies put pressure on Germany? Any landings on the European mainland seems unable to achieve success since the Germans can counterattack with far more troops. -
Other than waiting for better weather, the crux of your issue is your defense in Russia.
What are you building as the Russians? and where are you making your stands?
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I buy inf in Leningrad and Ukraine and tanks/inf in Moscow and Stalingrad which then move to the front. I try to counterattack vulnerable German tanks, but the Germans seldom leave me an opening. I’ve tried making my stand in Leningrad and Ukraine but to no avail, the German could simply throw more men into the battle.
I’ve also tried buying time, pulling back in the last minute just before the Germans assembled enough troops to win a decisive battle. This seems the better option, since the German advance is still slow while the Russian Army remains intact. But once the Germans lay siege to Moscow and Stalingrad the trouble begins. I find it hard to hold both and if Stalingrad falls the German economy will be so huge that Moscow will eventually fall too.Also, how can the Western Allies best help Russia, once Sealion is not going to happen and Cairo is safe?
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I usually go with a US landing a bunch of troops somewhere in Normand or S. France followed by UK landing and reinforcing with troops and fighters. This forces the Gerrys to focus on that front as well. But first you have to cripple Italy in the med. A complex in Egypt plus the UK taking Iraq on T-1 usually works in our games





