German strategy for the world game

[calvinhobbesliker]

[quote/] I think Germany will do a number on the UK navy as normal, but w/UK going before Italy I think it will be able to salvage most of the ships in the Med. I’m not sure how well a J1 attack will work in global, so UK should be able to save its Indian fleet too if Japan delays.

Hopefully that is the case. With France and the Balkans not starting in German hands, it is hard for Germnay to attack ships in the Western or Eastern Med, especially given the fact that the Med is now 2 zones tall, it will be harder.

If ftrs start in Greater Southern Germany, and it has an airbase, reaching the southeast med takes 4 moves, and thus they can’t quite make it to Libya. If attacking the Western Med, it looks like 4 spaces, making it impossible. Thus, only bombers in germany can hit British ships(as long as they are all in the bottom half of the Med), and they may be busy with France or the Northern Fleet. Unless Italy starts with an Aircraft Carrier, I think the Med Fleet is safe

[WILD BILL]

All good points calvinhobbesliker,
I think it will be a couple of rounds to see how the Med gets sorted out. Both Italy and UK should have opportunities to get control. I still think that Italy will be more concentrated on the Med where UK has a lot of options elsewhere, so it could have an effect on the out come depending how pressed UK is it other areas.

Edit:
Neither Italy or Germany should start the game w/carrier. They both had one being built, but never got them operational. I think the Graf Zeppelin was close a couple of times, but was stripped in a Hitler rant. The Italians actually got the Aquila carrier near completion and ready to test (w/some machinery from the G Zep), but lost their country before they got to use it.

[Dylan the Canadian]

@WILD:

All good points calvinhobbesliker,
I think it will be a couple of rounds to see how the Med gets sorted out. Both Italy and UK should have opportunities to get control. I still think that Italy will be more concentrated on the Med where UK has a lot of options elsewhere, so it could have an effect on the out come depending how pressed UK is it other areas.

Edit:
Neither Italy or Germany should start the game w/carrier. They both had one being built, but never got them operational. I think the Graf Zeppelin was close a couple of times, but was stripped in a Hitler rant. The Italians actually got the Aquila carrier near completion and ready to test (w/some machinery from the G Zep), but lost their country before they got to use it.

To be honest I think everyone is expecting too much from Britain.

[WILD BILL]

@Dylan:

To be honest I think everyone is expecting too much from Britain.

Yea, you could be right. UK could be the only major allied power at war for a couple rounds. W/Euro axis pounding on them, they may become pretty weak. Then you turn Jap loose.

[calvinhobbesliker]

But since they are the only one at war, they must be strong to balance the game

[WILD BILL]

It could be buckle down and wait for the cavalry. I think UK will have enough to wait out the storm. They should be very successful in some area’s, but I would expect their income to drop each round they are alone, and their NO’s hard to get or keep.

[calvinhobbesliker]

Yep. As Larry said, the British Empire will be holding the line.
about that battle(which could apply in general to the British) saying that “It would eventually take the industrial might of the United States and the Soviet Union to defeat Germnay. Britain alone could not win the war, but in the Battle of Britain(and elsewhere), she refused to lose it.”

[WILD BILL]

That’s a hell of a quote, and very fitting.

[Dylan the Canadian]

@calvinhobbesliker:

Yep. As Larry said, the British Empire will be holding the line.
about that battle(which could apply in general to the British) saying that “It would eventually take the industrial might of the United States and the Soviet Union to defeat Germnay. Britain alone could not win the war, but in the Battle of Britain(and elsewhere), she refused to lose it.”

So I guess for Germany you don`t want to provoke early war with the US and Russia. Interesting.

[idk_iam_swiss]

Just pile on the UK. Take Africa. And then its just the big 4. Germany, Japan, Russia, and America

[WILD BILL]

If Italy gets control of Africa, your talking the big 5, Looks like there’s a lot more ipc down there.

[Dylan the Canadian]

@WILD:

If Italy gets control of Africa, your talking the big 5, Looks like there’s a lot more ipc down there.

yeah thats another thing Italy if they do what they can, will be very powerful. Like could of they ever became that strong in the real war?

[Raeder]

@Dylan:

@WILD:

If Italy gets control of Africa, your talking the big 5, Looks like there’s a lot more ipc down there.

yeah thats another thing Italy if they do what they can, will be very powerful. Like could of they ever became that strong in the real war?

Italy should not be able to take control of Africa without German help. That’s the way I see it.

But seeing as how they made Japan way too powerful in P40, I guess maybe they did the same to Italy.

[calvinhobbesliker]

@Raeder:

@Dylan:

@WILD:

If Italy gets control of Africa, your talking the big 5, Looks like there’s a lot more ipc down there.

yeah thats another thing Italy if they do what they can, will be very powerful. Like could of they ever became that strong in the real war?

Italy should not be able to take control of Africa without German help. That’s the way I see it.

But seeing as how they made Japan way too powerful in P40, I guess maybe they did the same to Italy.

The only help Germany can give in the 1st few turns is air force, since there are no German units in africa or the Med

[Dylan the Canadian]

@calvinhobbesliker:

@Raeder:

@Dylan:

@WILD:

If Italy gets control of Africa, your talking the big 5, Looks like there’s a lot more ipc down there.

yeah thats another thing Italy if they do what they can, will be very powerful. Like could of they ever became that strong in the real war?

Italy should not be able to take control of Africa without German help. That’s the way I see it.

But seeing as how they made Japan way too powerful in P40, I guess maybe they did the same to Italy.

The only help Germany can give in the 1st few turns is air force, since there are no German units in africa or the Med

So then build a navy to send down there  :lol:

[calvinhobbesliker]

@Dylan:

@calvinhobbesliker:

@Raeder:

@Dylan:

@WILD:

If Italy gets control of Africa, your talking the big 5, Looks like there’s a lot more ipc down there.

yeah thats another thing Italy if they do what they can, will be very powerful. Like could of they ever became that strong in the real war?

Italy should not be able to take control of Africa without German help. That’s the way I see it.

But seeing as how they made Japan way too powerful in P40, I guess maybe they did the same to Italy.

The only help Germany can give in the 1st few turns is air force, since there are no German units in africa or the Med

So then build a navy to send down there  :lol:

The only Sz that Germany can build in is the Baltic. This navy can’t get into the Med for a few reasons
1. Gibraltar closes the strait, preventing ships from access
2. The navy would have to get there by moving to a zone 1 space away from the UK, allowing its navy and air force to attack it

[Dylan the Canadian]

@calvinhobbesliker:

@Dylan:

@calvinhobbesliker:

@Raeder:

@Dylan:

@WILD:

If Italy gets control of Africa, your talking the big 5, Looks like there’s a lot more ipc down there.

yeah thats another thing Italy if they do what they can, will be very powerful. Like could of they ever became that strong in the real war?

Italy should not be able to take control of Africa without German help. That’s the way I see it.

But seeing as how they made Japan way too powerful in P40, I guess maybe they did the same to Italy.

The only help Germany can give in the 1st few turns is air force, since there are no German units in africa or the Med

So then build a navy to send down there  :lol:

The only Sz that Germany can build in is the Baltic. This navy can’t get into the Med for a few reasons
1. Gibraltar closes the strait, preventing ships from access
2. The navy would have to get there by moving to a zone 1 space away from the UK, allowing its navy and air force to attack it

They are rich they can make a very strong navy, it can pass the Baltic past the English channel, past the Sea of Spain, into the Med. Just watch out you might need to ask Italy for some protection in Berlin, but they can be fine.

[calvinhobbesliker]

Yes, they can, but then Russia will easily destroy them with its massive army.
As long as the UK controls Gibraltar, Axis surface ships can’t go into or out of the Med that way(or any other way since the UK controls the Suez Canal)

[brettstarr4]

@calvinhobbesliker:

Yes, they can, but then Russia will easily destroy them with its massive army.
As long as the UK controls Gibraltar, Axis surface ships can’t go into or out of the Med that way(or any other way since the UK controls the Suez Canal)

Don’t forge the possibility of a Russian ship or two in the Black Sea.  If Russia has a factory in the caucuses and they are still enjoying neutrality, it might be an interesting strategy to try to add to the Russian navy (probably stupid).

However, a smarter move might be to position the Russian ships between Axis forces and the British ships to tempt the Axis into breaking neutrality.

[UN Spacy]

I’m curious, why can’t Axis naval units move through the sea zone bordering Gibraltar?