IL's Axis and Allies Global 1939 and 1942 files

[HBG]

@finnman:

what would you recommend I use for these new powers. I have AA 1942 AA pacific 1940 and risk

I use German units painted a different color for the Axis Minors and
American units painted white for Neutrals

[finnman]

@coachofmany:

@finnman:

what would you recommend I use for these new powers. I have AA 1942 AA pacific 1940 and risk

I use German units painted a different color for the Axis Minors and
American units painted white for Neutrals

Thanks but I don’t know about painting my pieces I just think I’ll use risk infantry and canons for artillery. I also use Polish Calvary
any ideas on the stats for them.

[Imperious Leader]

I use German units painted a different color for the Axis Minors and
American units painted white for Neutrals

yea thats what i will do. but under the rules you can only rebuild the units each neutral came with, so all four of them must be different colors so as not to have more units that they came with…

so… what color for finland, romania, bulgaria, and hungary?

[HBG]

I used Yellow for Romania, light grey for Hungary, Dark green for Bulgaria, and Maroon for Finland.
But I am going to change a few colors, still thinking about it.

French - Blue
Free french - Lt. Blue
Vichy French - Dark Grey
Dutch - Orange
Neutrals - White
Allied Neutrals - Lt. green
Pro Axis Neutrals - Lt. Grey
Mongolia - ??

[Imperious Leader]

I used Yellow for Romania, light grey for Hungary, Dark green for Bulgaria, and Maroon for Finland.

But what did you base your decision on?  just wondering.

I was thinking cream or off white for Finland ( winter outfits)

Light Grey for Romania

Dark Green Bulgaria

Hungary?

[HBG]

Well, off white or cream for Finland, since the neutrals are white, I was staying away from that color, the light grey for pro axis neutral ate a color off the Germans, the light green. , a shade off the Americans, I am still using panzer grey for Vichy France, and two different blues for the French, orange for the Dutch, matches neutral roundel, I am going to use the light maroon Russians from Europe for Mongolia (are they a stand alone neutral or pro someone?)

I have made additional armies for this game and need to paint them so I can try this scenario. I need to print out the map also.

[Imperious Leader]

I made a complete set of new roundels including tokens for Airborne, Waffen SS and Shock Armies ( remember they each can have up to 6 of these)

I have not made the rules for how these come into being. I think it will be you can assign one per turn and if you lose it in combat you can replace freely as long as not more than one appears ( max 6 in any case)

Also, looking at Brazil’s naval setup i think the DD’s should be split ( one each sea zone)

I can reduce the roundels in size ( say to .5 inch)  if you feel aesthetically they look too large.

Finland needs a change in setup, divert one inf to Lapland from south.  Also, Defending units in Scandinavian nations get a +1 ( Russia will attempt to maul them on R2). Might even give them a fortification adjacent from Leningrad territory in setup.

Have not sorted out the Soviets income basis until at war… to be done

Map clarification Kerch Peninsula: You can cross the straight only of you control the other side… no shortcuts to Caucasus. You must fight over Rostov-On-Don as true “gateway to the Caucasus”

[HBG]

WIll the new roundels be placed under the infantry units?

I agree, split the destroyers for Brazil.

Yes, I think the roundels are too big, I am going to print out the map today and lay it out and see for myself. (48" X96")

I agree with all the “straits” rules you have.
I totally agree with no units in Russia, only lend lease.
I hate when Japan boogies towards Moscow, I agree, they need to have their hands full in the Pacific, with Oil rules and lesser values for them to land grab in Asia, it will chnage their thinking.
I like the changes in tank values, both Japan & Italy had no more than medium tank but mainly a light tank compared to the other countries.

OK, change in colors.

France - Blue
Free French - Sky Blue
Vichy - Use the Blue again after France falls for the Vichy.
Pro Axis Neutrals - Dark grey (not Panzer Grey)
Pro Allied Neutrals - Light Olive green
Neutrals - White

What type of neutral is Mongolia?

[Imperious Leader]

I hate when Japan boogies towards Moscow, I agree, they need to have their hands full in the Pacific, with Oil rules and lesser values for them to land grab in Asia, it will change their thinking.
I like the changes in tank values, both Japan & Italy had no more than medium tank but mainly a light tank compared to the other countries.

The resources are distributed much more historical, which denys the Soviet all those perks of running nonsense to Moscow. She can just focus on getting her victory conditions ( 18 VC points).

China and eastern Russia are mostly barren of war materials ( though the Soviets did have oil center in Kamchatka but very small). This is why in nearly every game Japan blows up to 40+ IPC and Germany lags behind. That is impossible. In this Germany/Italy are the hammer and Japan is a proper anvil.

[HBG]

@Imperious:

I hate when Japan boogies towards Moscow, I agree, they need to have their hands full in the Pacific, with Oil rules and lesser values for them to land grab in Asia, it will change their thinking.
I like the changes in tank values, both Japan & Italy had no more than medium tank but mainly a light tank compared to the other countries.

The resources are distributed much more historical, which denys the Soviet all those perks of running nonsense to Moscow. She can just focus on getting her victory conditions ( 18 VC points).

China and eastern Russia are mostly barren of war materials ( though the Soviets did have oil center in Kamchatka but very small). This is why in nearly every game Japan blows up to 40+ IPC and Germany lags behind. That is impossible. In this Germany/Italy are the hammer and Japan is a proper anvil.

Yes, Japan must go where the oil is, they are totally dependent on it.

[HBG]

Does French Madagascar require a French Roundel?

[Imperious Leader]

no its vichy. The allies had to invade it and fight the french, so its not really free french either.

Also, in Finland they should control Viipiri at start and make a rule that if they lose the war, they cede it to the Soviets as a prize. I don’t want Finland getting wiped out before Summer 1941.

Semi neutral Russia must have restrictions on the manner of how it can violate neutrals before Germany attacks.

Will the new roundels be placed under the infantry units?

yea so need for special units. Tokens indicate airborne, marines, waffen SS , etc.

[HBG]

What type of neutral is Mongolia?

[Imperious Leader]

Token (roundel) sets:

http://www.mediafire.com/?3zaijttfvmj
http://www.mediafire.com/?ricdjmn2qmi
http://www.mediafire.com/?550mjmxdc3y
http://www.mediafire.com/?vim4w2ejnmm

Rulebook ( in nice format):

http://www.mediafire.com/?w3jzmm0mn20

[HBG]

I love the map, I cannot wait to set up the game to see what it looks like!

[HBG]

@Imperious:

Token (roundel) sets:

http://www.mediafire.com/?3zaijttfvmj
http://www.mediafire.com/?ricdjmn2qmi
http://www.mediafire.com/?550mjmxdc3y
http://www.mediafire.com/?vim4w2ejnmm

Rulebook ( in nice format):

Link to Rulebook?

I think some of the non round roundels will have to be smaller to fit on a 3/4" round label.
I can check and let you know the sizes I used if you want me to, it will probably be Tuesday though.
Again, thanks

[Imperious Leader]

The rules are not done yet. Almost.

The roundels are deliberately at .75 so they format to those Avery labels, otherwise if they are smaller it would look less satisfactory. My intention is to find a new source for tokens going to 1 inch painted wooden tokens in national colors and mount the decals on those so its perfect. Still looking for a suitable source for the material.

I fixed the spelling issues…

A few will remain:

Yenisey is also a correct spelling a used more in the 1940’s sei is the more modern spelling of the word.

Ploesti is correct spelling ( which was on map)

others were corrected. and the size of the maps roundels are less than .75 and more like .50 inch

[HBG]

@Imperious:

The rules are not done yet. Almost.

The roundels are deliberately at .75 so they format to those Avery labels, otherwise if they are smaller it would look less satisfactory. My intention is to find a new source for tokens going to 1 inch painted wooden tokens in national colors and mount the decals on those so its perfect. Still looking for a suitable source for the material.

I fixed the spelling issues…

A few will remain:

Yenisey is also a correct spelling a used more in the 1940’s sei is the more modern spelling of the word.

Ploesti is correct spelling ( which was on map)

others were corrected. and the size of the maps roundels are less than .75 and more like .50 inch

I must have had an older version for Ploesti on my map it is Poesti.
The Roundels on your map are good, no problem.
I tried to mount roundels on the 1" plastic round disc from EA, they are too large, take up too much space on the map, even on a 48"x96" map, especially in Europe.
I painted my cardbaord roundels OOB white over the existing Country and then added a 3/4" Avery Label to it…they look good.

I was talking about the templates, the non round roundels like the Totenkof Skull needs to be smaller…I think.
Like I said I will print the templates and see what they look like.

[HBG]

IL,
I was talking with a friend showing off your map and he loved it. Really like the Japan not getting to hike to Russia and grabbing points.
He like the oil concept too, but he asked why you put an oil token in Saudi Arabia instead of Iraq; says Iraq was more developed at that time (just asking)
I would of liked to have seen the “Vichy” symbol placed in a white round background like a Roundel.
You could see it better and it does not look like something else on the map other than a marker for the Vichy French.

Again, just throwing ideas your way.

I check Oil Refinery heater drawings for a living and have become “Anal” about some things, but I usually have a good eye for an aestheticially pleasing look.

The map looks really really good printed out in color.

Why did you switch to the Swastika for the German Roundel, I know there are people out there still offended by it today?

[Imperious Leader]

I was talking with a friend showing off your map and he loved it. Really like the Japan not getting to hike to Russia and grabbing points.
He like the oil concept too, but he asked why you put an oil token in Saudi Arabia instead of Iraq; says Iraq was more developed at that time (just asking)

I didn’t want to make too many oil centers. I guess i choose one and picked the one that would not ‘be along the path’ which requires either side to take a detour south to take it.

The oil rules really made it exciting because Germany went for a southern strategy and took 2 of them and Japan took 1.

We had like 12 people usually standing and watching and 4 playing. Alot of the ‘watchers’ will play tomorrow and thought it looked real impressive.

The main fruit is the set up is really good and not much needs to be changed for balance, but I don’t think we explored all the tricks yet. Of the many ideas that made it different many commented on the concept of the Waffen SS and Shock Armies and how they really added new ideas for how you do your combats.

The Axis won but really only on the fact that the UK player went for Italy and didn’t leave enough to protect UK and the German navy took it with their Waffen SS army. Of course UK retook it, but then it suffered alot by that point. Russia got worked pretty good ( we were allies), but we held out. Japan didn’t attack Russia till like turn 6 and my partner kept buying the fortifications rather than UNITS ( of which you need to make the fortification even useful)

I would of liked to have seen the “Vichy” symbol placed in a white round background like a Roundel.

Yea i can do that. I think so.

I check Oil Refinery heater drawings for a living and have become “Anal” about some things, but I usually have a good eye for an aestheticially pleasing look.

The map looks really really good printed out in color.

Why did you switch to the Swastika for the German Roundel, I know there are people out there still offended by it today?

Nobody was offended and didn’t even comment on that. It didn’t even cross my mind till you just brought it up. Yes the map looks real professional. I will tweek the map file one last time for those Vichy roundels and perhaps add or change an oil field.

I may have to add one in S America and another in eastern Russia.

Also, might add a sea zone for red sea because the distance from FIC is a bit far to reach the Suez. ( UK used its fleet to shuck back and forth)

Also north India may need a factory in south ( Madras) and not north. UK build a small fleet to protect from Japan.

WE made some rule changes a few here:

you cant capture an enemy factory. Its destroyed but you can build a new one. AA guns same thing ( no reusable AA guns)

The SS and shock armies cant be rebuilt once destroyed, but they can be reconfigured into different combination’s of two armor class units and never more than 6 on the map ( can generate only one per turn, russia can start them only on turn 3)

People really liked that UK cant send air or fleet in Baltic unless they control Norway and Denmark.

Airborne and Marines worked great.

Neutrals were perfect.

We didn’t play with tech, but everything else.

They thought the axis were weak, but the design has subtle advantages for them that compensate. Economically it looks terrible for the axis, but if they keep the attacks up the allies has a problem getting the material advantage to make a difference.

People loved the Victory conditions. Japan was not a slave for Germany, but did help out if only to further its own cause.

Canada and ANZAC worked perfectly.

Pictures latter.