@Tizkit nice idea on the dice :+1:
How will Rommel get to Africa?
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@Imperious:
As for Egypt… guess what. There are NO Germans (at all) in North Africa at the beginning of the game. They don’t even have a ship in the Mediterranean. The Italians well be well represented however. If you’re playing the Axis you better hope they do better than they did historically. One more bit of information. between Libya and Egypt lays two new territories… Tobruk and Alexandria. There should be some additional back and forths going on down there.
This is IL’s quote from Larry in the first post of the Facts thread. That seems to indicate quite definitively that Germany will not have any transports for moving stuff to Africa. :| Guess they won’t be able to do much more than provide air support until they can build/capture an IC on the coast. Anyway, I think that even if Germany can’t start putting land units in Africa until turn 4 that they should be able to at least form the rear guard for the Italians in holding off the Americans so the Italians can keep pushing into Africa.
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Well, that sux. :cry:
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@SAS:
Guess they won’t be able to do much more than provide air support until they can build/capture an IC on the coast. Anyway, I think that even if Germany can’t start putting land units in Africa until turn 4 that they should be able to at least form the rear guard for the Italians in holding off the Americans so the Italians can keep pushing into Africa.
Yeah, it’s important to remember that the US will, in most cases, be doing nothing in Africa until turn 4 (with a competent Japanese player resisting attack).
It’s doubtful the UK will have much in the way of starting attack forces in Egypt, either, which means it’ll probably be a stalemate between the Brits and the Italians until the Germans and/or Americans arrive to tip the balance one way or the other.
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@Brain:
Well now we definitely need and Axis and Allies North Africa game.
YES
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I guess Graziani will have to take Rommel’s place.
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i really think that’ll be the way
italy buys the transports and protecting navy, germany shuffles troosp from germany to italy to be loaded in those italian transports -
@Frontovik:
i really think that’ll be the way
italy buys the transports and protecting navy, germany shuffles troosp from germany to italy to be loaded in those italian transportsG1-move German ground units to coast
G2-load Germans on to Italian transport
I2-move Italian transport to Africa
G3-unload German units in AfricaItaly will need to buy more transports beginning rd #1, so it can still maneuver its own units, as well as the German ground forces. This could require Italy to split its navy, which could be risky. In the mean time Germany should look for a place to build a minor IC on the Med that will produce units by rd #4 or #5, so it doesn’t have to rely on Italy. It would be good if that IC could also aid in invasion of Russia. Turkey is looking very tempting. Germany should be able to invade by land from Bulgaria via Istanbul across the straight. It would also unlock the Black sea for amphib. The Med will have a whole new level of strats, it going to be really cool working those out.
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@Brain:
I guess Graziano will have to take Rommel’s place.
NEVER
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@Brain:
I guess Graziano will have to take Rommel’s place.
NEVER
The new desert fox:
Graziani, Rodolfo Marquis, Marshal of Italy
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@WILD:
@Frontovik:
i really think that’ll be the way
italy buys the transports and protecting navy, germany shuffles troosp from germany to italy to be loaded in those italian transportsG1-move German ground units to coast
G2-load Germans on to Italian transport
I2-move Italian transport to Africa
G3-unload German units in AfricaItaly will need to buy more transports beginning rd #1, so it can still maneuver its own units, as well as the German ground forces. This could require Italy to split its navy, which could be risky. In the mean time Germany should look for a place to build a minor IC on the Med that will produce units by rd #4 or #5, so it doesn’t have to rely on Italy. It would be good if that IC could also aid in invasion of Russia. Turkey is looking very tempting. Germany should be able to invade by land from Bulgaria via Istanbul across the straight. It would also unlock the Black sea for amphib. The Med will have a whole new level of strats, it going to be really cool working those out.
Turkey will be a great spot for an IC. It could send units to the eastern front or invade the middle east. It could also build a mediterain fleet. PLus it will be worth a nice pile of resources.
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Possibly so, but think about how long it will take to get troops to Turkey, and then build an I.C. there. Russia is probably going to be a tough customer so I’m not sure if Germany is going to have time to invade. Think about how much Germany is going to have to prepare for its war with Russia in terms of units considering the size Russia will probably be in this game. If Pacific 40’ is any indicator on the size of Russia then Germany is in for at least a four turn march to Moscow which means they are going to have to hold off America and the U.K. in the west until turn 8 at least! I think extra IPC’s for invading Turkey and building a complex there are a luxury, and if Turkey ends up like Mongolia there won’t be any territorys worth 2 IPC’s making it impossible to build one.
Who can say really what will happen, and after the J1 DOW debacle for Pacific 40’ perhaps the Germans will be able to invade Brtiain on G1 and ruin that game.
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I can actually see that happening…
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The only way you would send Germans to Africa is if Italy can not send enough troops on their own.
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What happened was I believe they came through Greece, using Italy’s navy.
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@Brain:
@Brain:
I guess Graziano will have to take Rommel’s place.
NEVER
The new desert fox:
Graziani, Rodolfo Marquis, Marshal of Italy
I may never play Axis&Allies again.
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@Brain:
I may never play Axis&Allies again.
Don’t kid yourself. You know you will.
Your right Brain, I just had a fit of deep depression. I will probably play AA50 tomorrow. I have been playing a series of practice games of scenario #1 to see if I can find a way to fix the China problem.
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The way to solve the problem would be to have Italy and Germany move together and have the ability to use each others transports.
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We call that 1942 edition….
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@Danger:
Who can say really what will happen, and after the J1 DOW debacle for Pacific 40’ perhaps the Germans will be able to invade Brtiain on G1 and ruin that game.
With US and Russia not able to attack until rd #4 (unless provoked) the Euro axis only have two enemies. The first one (France) should fall rd #1 for the most part. That leaves UK on an island by itself for the next 3 rds (how it was in the war). I could see many of the UK Euro possessions being taken, including a possible Sea Lion. Why wouldn’t the axis try to take its enemies down one at a time early on when the are isolated. Having said that, Germany better be ready for Russia by land, and US by sea, because they will be coming hard. Even if Germany takes England will they have enough forces to keep it, and push into Russia?
So I don’t think that if London is lost by rd #4-5, that its game over. It will also be interesting to see if a J1 attack is as good a play in global, as it might put an end to any Sea Lion attempt, or keeping your enemies isolated early on.
**Also I wonder if a German invasion of a true neutral (Turkey) would void the Russia can’t attack til rd #4 thing (like a Jap unprovoked attack on UK allows US to enter the war early). Just a thought, any of the true neutrals could be thrown in to keep them off limits early in the game.
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