Even with value “0” you are allowed to build one unit per turn if you have an IC there.
if you are playing with the rule that let’s you destroy industries and aa’s when captured, then it might work, but maybe not. Otherwise it’s not a good idea.
First thing, I play RR with 2 hit BB, and I totally agree that a 1st turn Ind Factory CAN BE DEFENDED in the 1st round, but only it is not necessary
Reasons why you should build an Indian Fac:
- It will take the Japs more time to secure the asian front
It also gives Germany more air to breathe and more resources to be diverted towards Russia
- The British will cash out higher, replacing the losses of the German invasion in Africa
I don’t see how it will cash out higher except the 3 Ind Ipc, which is in the expense of 15 ipc
- It forces the Japs to buy enormous amounts of infantry before they can march to Moskou
A good Japanese player WILL buy enormous amounts of infantry before they march to Moscow, even there is no UK presence in Asia
- Allows the Americans to ignore the pacific entirely!
A good US player WILL ignore the Pacific entirely, and they will be very very happy to see if the Japs is not doing so
- It will help out the Russians tremendously, because they can invest more in the defense against the germans until, because the Japs focus is on the Indian Factory.
Yes, but the above is also true if UK is doing another shuck shuck to Kar, after the Afican counter attack, without an Ind Factory
The India factory can always be held for the first few turns. The biggest trick is sending two russian tanks to sinkiang or persia. Between them and whatever the USA has in china you will take india back before UK’s next turn, and then they can produce in India immediately. I doubt your opponent will attack India round one after a few games with this strategy. You can also try variations with sending a russian fighter to India round one or sending the British transport to the Burma sea zone to act as a blocker instead of picking up the iraq infantry.
It all depends on the Japanese player. If you know for a fact that he will go hardcore for Russia or go full throttle into the Pacific and threaten the Western American then go ahead and build a IC in India.
But if you not sure about how he will make war then think twice about placing a IC in India. If Japan then get India after it’s there you may really regretted it.
It all depends on the Japanese player. If you know for a fact that he will go hardcore for Russia or go full throttle into the Pacific and threaten the Western American then go ahead and build a IC in India.
Good point. Too bad placing an IC might make him change his mind.
Then wait and build it on the 2nd turn. Study the Japanese player’s 1st turn real carefully. Then decide.
Then wait and build it on the 2nd turn. Study the Japanese player’s 1st turn real carefully. Then decide.
In other words, if you still have India after turn one, build the IC? :wink:
@Grigoriy:
Then wait and build it on the 2nd turn. Study the Japanese player’s 1st turn real carefully. Then decide.
In other words, if you still have India after turn one, build the IC? :wink:
not necessarily. Occ. the japanese player won’t look west tho’, and the German player will focus on Europe. Here’s a good time to think about the Ind ic.
@cystic:
…and the German player will focus on Europe. Here’s a good time to think about the Ind ic.
As opposed to focusing on Africa?
@Grigoriy:
@cystic:
…and the German player will focus on Europe. Here’s a good time to think about the Ind ic.
As opposed to focusing on Africa?
not too hard to do both, really.
IF Germany is focussed on Europe with no trns in the Med, then there is little “focussing” to do but a little bit of mop-up. The IC will prevent nasty Japanese from going into Africa too.
And just why must the Jap’s be nasty anyway? I can stand evil, and even being called a “yellow tide of certin doom” but nasty, well that isn’t very proper now. :P
I think this debate hinges on what happens during the R1 and G1 as to if the UK builds one or not. People have pointed out some great reasons for and good ones against. Now I played the game once with the sole intention of keeping that complex, and focused all my attention on it. If you can get the US player to give up his remaining troops that can reach it, and have russia land her airforce there, by the end of turn two it is possible to have 7-10 troops, 1-4 fighters and a tran in the harbor shutting down a small invasion force. With that much fire power guarding it, it puts the Japs in a very strange position as they won’t have the total dominance of the Asian countries that they would normally enjoy. Has anyone ever kept this IC and used it to build upon a counter attack to free Asia of the Japs?
Only build the IC in India after Japan has clearly made it’s main focus.
Most games I see Japan doesn’t take India on the first turn.
I actually have found the I complex in India to be fruitful, assuming certain things havened:
1. either russia or american presence has increased since the start
or
2. Japan’s forces have been preoccupied eastward.
Note that since India is worth 3 its very hard for japan to take it over once it gets going. So, if you can survive the first round of having it…it’s worth is.
However, I rarely use India that way when i play. I much prefer to build i complexes in northern africa (anglo/egypt sudan area). I know one player suggests building in S. africa but that’s just plain too far away, you are much better off building close to southern germany at the expence of 1 production capability. This way, you can prevent germany from taking over africa AND have a great offensive vehicle towards southern germany, AND be close enough to Russia to protect some of it from Japan! Really it’s the perfect place for an I complex - just takes longer to build up a decent sized army.
Most games I see Japan doesn’t take India on the first turn.
Well, it’s been a long time since I’ve played at all, but the few games i have played, Japan took India.
I much prefer to build i complexes in northern africa (anglo/egypt sudan area). I know one player suggests building in S. africa but that’s just plain too far away, you are much better off building close to southern germany at the expence of 1 production capability. This way, you can prevent germany from taking over africa AND have a great offensive vehicle towards southern germany, AND be close enough to Russia to protect some of it from Japan! Really it’s the perfect place for an I complex - just takes longer to build up a decent sized army
This is a good idea if you can take out Germany’s trn and Afrika Korps-otherwise, they’ll have a chance to counterattack.
i like rottnpeach’s idea of the egypt IC. it gives the brits the option of building trannies on the safer side of the suez, and they can ferry whatever units the brits build over to S/Eur
@someguy577:
The India factory can always be held for the first few turns. The biggest trick is sending two russian tanks to sinkiang or persia. Between them and whatever the USA has in china you will take india back before UK’s next turn, and then they can produce in India immediately. I doubt your opponent will attack India round one after a few games with this strategy. You can also try variations with sending a russian fighter to India round one or sending the British transport to the Burma sea zone to act as a blocker instead of picking up the iraq infantry.
my own thoughts…
By Trying to fortify and counterattack the Indian zone to keep it out of the japanese hands you waste away Russia’s Offensive power… 2 tanks could mean life or death especially if Yakut is hit…if I was japan and saw an IC great Iwon’t worry about Asia I’ll smack north withall my power and the british can try there puny production to stop me… The Germans have it better because the Brits will want to stick there 3 on the IC in India the cannot assist the Americans in serious shuck (they can don’t misunderstand me but they cannot do much)…And the Russians first turn is focused on the Indian area(you might as well hit africa)…that gives the Germans less resistance… if the japanese want to they can terrorize the americans and waste the US’s money on driving them from alaska pitting the Allies farther down… Maybe the Axis isn’t this way in thinking but playing with it could win the game for them…
MY VIEW:
It is not worth the allies money, Time, and Brains to waste on a factory in India
i like rottnpeach’s idea of the egypt IC. it gives the brits the option of building trannies on the safer side of the suez, and they can ferry whatever units the brits build over to S/Eur
A complex in Egypt sounds nice at first (better than on in SA IMO), but how can you prevent Germany from taking it in G2?
Well … UK could give up India and move both infantry and the fighter to Egypt, plus move the Syria infantry to Egypt. This would enable UK to keep it in round 2 (depending on what Germany purchased on T1). I don’t suggest this … but, it is possible.
UK would have 1 ftr, 3 inf, and 1 arm correct?
On G2, I can storm in with (and mind you, this without bidding) 5 infantry, 1 arm, and ftr/bomber support (depending on where you landed your planes G1). That’s more than enough to destroy UK forces in Egypt and make out with a free complex. :)
