OK , It is now clear to me , Thanks everyone for taking your time to explain this to me 👍🏼
Industrial Complex in India
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All for it, folks!
Question: Could You all explain 2 terms used here:
“U.S. shuck shuck” ?
“RR” rule?
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RR = Russian Restricted (i.e. Russia cannot attack on turn 1)
Look here to find out what shuck-shuck is:
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gotcha! thanks!
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I was wondering how everybody feels about the Industrial complex in India. I happen to think that it is a complete waste. It really takes away too many IPCs from the UK and what they should be concentrating on is owning the high seas!
What do yall think?
I may partially agree (i prefer air superiority to the high seas) but if germany no threat from lack of skill or russia’s assault; or japans a major threat; or russia is in danger, i believe india is a very important territory.
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the indian IC is really a big gamble because japan can easily take it in turn 1 (as neatly explained by MistaBiggs)
instead, here’s my theory for checking japan.
russia sends its tanks out east, and needless to say, buys 8 infantry. it also sends its transport and sub into britain.
uk MUST keep its sea space and build transports and infantry. starting turn 2, uk starts shipping infantry to karelia en masse. that further ensures the security of russia, meaning russia can probably send its fighters east to check the japanese advance.
also british fighters head out east to deal with the japanese. uk ends up with 4 infantry in india (after transporting 2 from australia), which provides a fair bit of fodder for the fighters.the best strategy for the USA in the pacific is:
a) occupy wake island
b) ship some infantry and an anti aircraft gun there
c) build a fleet of bombers and strategically bomb the lights out of japanjapan will be paralyzed. unable to build anything. so the russians and the brits can easily take out their remaining forces in asia. the americans can take over japan’s pacific territories one by one.
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USA wake Island IC!?!
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no no. not an IC. occupy wake island. then transport infantry and an AA gun from western USA. you can’t build anything on wake island anyway. it doesnt have an IPC value. once wake island is secure, land a fleet of bombers. japan is within striking distance of wake island for the bombers to drain its money.
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Even with value “0” you are allowed to build one unit per turn if you have an IC there.
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if you are playing with the rule that let’s you destroy industries and aa’s when captured, then it might work, but maybe not. Otherwise it’s not a good idea.
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First thing, I play RR with 2 hit BB, and I totally agree that a 1st turn Ind Factory CAN BE DEFENDED in the 1st round, but only it is not necessary
Reasons why you should build an Indian Fac:
- It will take the Japs more time to secure the asian front
It also gives Germany more air to breathe and more resources to be diverted towards Russia
- The British will cash out higher, replacing the losses of the German invasion in Africa
I don’t see how it will cash out higher except the 3 Ind Ipc, which is in the expense of 15 ipc
- It forces the Japs to buy enormous amounts of infantry before they can march to Moskou
A good Japanese player WILL buy enormous amounts of infantry before they march to Moscow, even there is no UK presence in Asia
- Allows the Americans to ignore the pacific entirely!
A good US player WILL ignore the Pacific entirely, and they will be very very happy to see if the Japs is not doing so
- It will help out the Russians tremendously, because they can invest more in the defense against the germans until, because the Japs focus is on the Indian Factory.
Yes, but the above is also true if UK is doing another shuck shuck to Kar, after the Afican counter attack, without an Ind Factory
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The India factory can always be held for the first few turns. The biggest trick is sending two russian tanks to sinkiang or persia. Between them and whatever the USA has in china you will take india back before UK’s next turn, and then they can produce in India immediately. I doubt your opponent will attack India round one after a few games with this strategy. You can also try variations with sending a russian fighter to India round one or sending the British transport to the Burma sea zone to act as a blocker instead of picking up the iraq infantry.
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It all depends on the Japanese player. If you know for a fact that he will go hardcore for Russia or go full throttle into the Pacific and threaten the Western American then go ahead and build a IC in India.
But if you not sure about how he will make war then think twice about placing a IC in India. If Japan then get India after it’s there you may really regretted it.
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It all depends on the Japanese player. If you know for a fact that he will go hardcore for Russia or go full throttle into the Pacific and threaten the Western American then go ahead and build a IC in India.
Good point. Too bad placing an IC might make him change his mind.
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Then wait and build it on the 2nd turn. Study the Japanese player’s 1st turn real carefully. Then decide.
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Then wait and build it on the 2nd turn. Study the Japanese player’s 1st turn real carefully. Then decide.
In other words, if you still have India after turn one, build the IC? :wink:
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@Grigoriy:
Then wait and build it on the 2nd turn. Study the Japanese player’s 1st turn real carefully. Then decide.
In other words, if you still have India after turn one, build the IC? :wink:
not necessarily. Occ. the japanese player won’t look west tho’, and the German player will focus on Europe. Here’s a good time to think about the Ind ic.
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@cystic:
…and the German player will focus on Europe. Here’s a good time to think about the Ind ic.
As opposed to focusing on Africa?
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@Grigoriy:
@cystic:
…and the German player will focus on Europe. Here’s a good time to think about the Ind ic.
As opposed to focusing on Africa?
not too hard to do both, really.
IF Germany is focussed on Europe with no trns in the Med, then there is little “focussing” to do but a little bit of mop-up. The IC will prevent nasty Japanese from going into Africa too. -
And just why must the Jap’s be nasty anyway? I can stand evil, and even being called a “yellow tide of certin doom” but nasty, well that isn’t very proper now. :P
I think this debate hinges on what happens during the R1 and G1 as to if the UK builds one or not. People have pointed out some great reasons for and good ones against. Now I played the game once with the sole intention of keeping that complex, and focused all my attention on it. If you can get the US player to give up his remaining troops that can reach it, and have russia land her airforce there, by the end of turn two it is possible to have 7-10 troops, 1-4 fighters and a tran in the harbor shutting down a small invasion force. With that much fire power guarding it, it puts the Japs in a very strange position as they won’t have the total dominance of the Asian countries that they would normally enjoy. Has anyone ever kept this IC and used it to build upon a counter attack to free Asia of the Japs?
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Only build the IC in India after Japan has clearly made it’s main focus.
Most games I see Japan doesn’t take India on the first turn.
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