I don’t bother taking Hawaii on J1, it is only 1 ipc and slows down the necessary Jap push in Asia. A smart US player will ignore this, and the possibility of Jap strat bombing the west coast isn’t too great a concern until much later in the game (when the game should already be decided). A smart Jap player will be better off strat bombing USSR - becasue the bomber(s) will be in position to assist other endeavers such as a possible capture of Moscow. However, if I am trying for economic victory as the Axis, I will likely take it (perhaps turn 7).
Attacking sub withdrawl after a naval victory?
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I’m with Scotty, he got it EXACTLY right! So beam me up.
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Checking the rules or deciding to play a rules variation shortens these arguments.
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Do you have a problem with a lot of posts? A lot of people :wink: like to post just for the sake of posting.
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“Whut you talkin’ 'bout, Willis?”
Re: Sub rules … keep in mind that all SUBS retreating on the same round of battle must retreat to the same sz(through which at least one attacking unit entered the battle.) :roll:
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@Xi:
“Whut you talkin’ 'bout, Willis?”
Re: Sub rules … keep in mind that all SUBS retreating on the same round of battle must retreat to the same sz(through which at least one attacking unit entered the battle.) :roll:
Are you sure? I thought naval units had a little more flexibility & could retreat back to ANY empty SZ–not just one from which one of the attackers came from, as would be the case w/ land units.
The key term is back. That is, “generally away from the enemy concentrations”.
This may have been corrected in newer versions, I dunno–the rule IS pretty vague…
Ozone27
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Xi is right about withdrawing attacking subs. Also in general all attacking naval units withdrawing on the same round must retreat to the same sz(through which at least one attacking unit entered the battle.)
Here is the vague part: 2nd edition rules say defending subs must withdraw to ANY ONE adjacent friendly or unoccupied sz. In the “Clarification” ( :roll: ), it says they withdraw BACK to one adjacent friendly or unoccupied sz. What’s the ruling here in the forum?
It’s not such a simple topic is it, Xi? :wink:
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Clarification, variation, clarification. :wink:
“Let me say this about that …”
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When subs withdraw from combat, where can they go?
If the subs were attacking, they can withdraw to any adjacent sea zone that naval units came from when launching this attack.
If the subs are defending, the rules state they can withdraw to any friendly or unoccupied adjacent sea zone. Ultimately, both of these amount to the same thing; any sea zone that does not contain enemy naval vessels or aircraft at the time the subs withdraw. That last bit is very important because it means defending subs can withdraw into sea zones that the attacking forces came from, thus cutting off the attacker’s avenue of retreat. As long as there are no enemy units currently in a sea zone, it’s a legal withdrawal path for defending subs. (Units on an island don’t matter; they’re in a land territory, not in the sea zone.)BB
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Okay,I’ve got the second ed. with the Rules Clarification sheet. On p. 2, col. 3, it says …
“If several defending subs withdraw on the same round, they must also withdraw to the same sz-BACK to one adjacent friendly or unoccupied sz.”What does the third ed. say?
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Yep, that’s what it says. But I just copied and pasted what was said at:
http://www.avalonhill.com/default.asp?x=faq/axisSo I think that pret’near takes care of that.
BB
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D’oh…. Not logged in again…
BB
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Well, that “Clarification” sheet is going to the garbage…
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Heh heh! :D
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