I went when I was really young. I think I mainly visited resorts and amusement parks.
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Whoever the guest is, your right about that. It’s dependent on the religion of those on the school board or whatever type of commitee they make to address the issue. That was a tactic that the hardcore christian’s of this nation used to get prayer in some school districts around the nation, get themselves elected into the school board to gain a majority control of it and then they could easily vote in prayer.
And to answer the question if all groups would endorse a time for each student to pray silently: I don’t really know, if you ask me it depends on how extreme the people that would vote on this issue are with their religion or the atheists are with having other religions also getting to pray in school.
And that Pledge of Allegiance thing, I agree, its BS to get rid of it completely all because of the words Under God. I mean dont say that if you are Atheist or dont believe in that god then its not that difficult to not say 2 words…
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TGM - I don’t know why some people (in this case certain atheists) got to get that extreme. I never had an issue with the “under God” line in the Pledge of Allegiance. They’re missing the point of the Pledge. As I said earlier, if you want to believe in something, believe in how good your country can be…
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Yeah, to prohibit the Pledge of Allegiance is unjustifiable. I’m okay with it being optional, but to ban it in its entirety is unfair to those who want to recite it. Hopefully the Supreme Court will relent on the decision or at least replace “under God” with “under our Founding Fathers” or “under the Bald Eagle” or whatever else is politically correct.
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what if your religion states that you have to shout your prayers really loud, so that your god can hear it ? :)
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hey F_alk, isn’t this a freedom of speech issue?
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“what if your religion states that you have to shout your prayers really loud, so that your god can hear it ?”
Well, under MY religion I can go out and shoot someone. It’s against my religion to do homework and even go to school! What makes my religion all the more legitimate than the one from above (well, so far I have heard of no religion that requires this)? What I can say is that you better be able to accept the consequences of what your “religion” dictates. However, to answer your question, I would say that the student may leave the classroom and find somewhere to “pray” so he doesn’t disturb the rest of the classes.
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well, i think that is a good option. I just found hte thought funny imagining a silent praying class and one student running and shouting around the room :)
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Just my point. Could everyone agree on an equal prayer time interval and what it entails? Silent prayer or outloud? Christian, Jewish, Moslem, etc., etc. ??? Can we reach common ground to compromise???
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of course you couldn’t call it a “prayer” time. That right there could cause a problem due to separation of church and state issues. You might call it “getting in touch with your inner self” time. (the “getting in touch with your OUTER self” time is, of course, as you are going to bed . . . ) :D
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@F_alk:
they are all the same God.
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I’m pro prayer though.Then you would accept a muslim prayer in the classroom? I mean, it’s all the same god anyway.
as much as any other prayer. if someone “has to make a scene” than it is contradictory to let someone pray differently. IMO, a school should say, “You could pray when and how you want to” and that is that. Though praying to Mecca is a very open expression of prayer, so is doing the father son, holy, spirit thing. I really just don’t care, but i do believe a school shouldn’t endorse prayer.
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“Could everyone agree on an equal prayer time interval and what it entails? Silent prayer or outloud?”
I don’t know about you guys, but here at our school, it’s called 15 minutes of SSR (silent sustained reading for long). This translates to you can take a nap, catch up on your reading assignments, get an early start on your homework, play poker, or pray. While the teachers would like (emphasis on “like”) to see you reading, anything else is fine as long as you keep quiet and don’t disturb the rest of the classroom (ie throwing papers airplanes around). So if you want to pray before you starting reading, go ahead. But if you don’t, hey, more power to ya. :wink:
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Sorry, been out of school too long to remember if this was even an issue (Class of 1986). I don’t think it was, Dzertfish do you recall?
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I’ll be Russia!
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if the majority was atheist, than in a conformist society, atheism would rule supreme.
that is certain
how long would that be certain? It only takes one or two Christians to “infect” a society.
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@Anonymous:
if the majority was atheist, than in a conformist society, atheism would rule supreme.
that is certain
how long would that be certain? It only takes one or two Christians to “infect” a society.
Sure christianism is a resiliant religion, they have a lot of tool to convince, mostly by fear, by flattering human ego and with pseudo-logic. (pseudo is the strong word)
They were able to convert a lot of people really fast in antiquity, quite impressing…
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I don’t know, my sister is Christian (and from an athiest family no doubt), and I bet it wasn’t the fear of God and a life long eternity in Hell that made her become one according to her own will. (though I don’t like children being baptized when they have no yet the capacity to choose that religion as their own)
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@TG:
I don’t know, my sister is Christian (and from an athiest family no doubt), and I bet it wasn’t the fear of God and a life long eternity in Hell that made her become one according to her own will. (though I don’t like children being baptized when they have no yet the capacity to choose that religion as their own)
I was speaking in a general way, i don’t care about individual exemple. I don’t see how your exemple can be usefull. Most people in France are white, if i know someone that is black, this is an argument about my first supposition ?
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but it is fair to deduct that it is possible that people may be converted through other means then fear and ego. I know of NO converts due to any of the factors that you mention. Moses merely mentioned an example of a person who was not “brainwashed” or “frightened” into faith. What would happen to you if
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Clearly religion exists to give it’s follower’s hope for a better life and/or afterlife. Of course this varies from belief system to belief system. Religion, like governments and nations, can be born from the oppression of the former religion, government, etc., etc. Religious groups that use fear or propaganda have let their power and influence become abusive and need reform or revolution. Again, sounds alot like nations or governments. Why? Because they are all made up of PEOPLE who make mistakes or let power go to their heads. Religions are not imune - even if we think they should be - that’s life. Separating the wrongs in the past from the faithful of today can be and is difficult. Try not to hold it against them. I’ll only hate a man (or woman) who wrongs me. Not what someone in their religion did 500 years ago. This is where some “hate atheism” comes from. Some comes from religious oriented people who DO wrong them. Don’t fall into the trap of hating ALL of that group. Fear of different beliefs that you don’t understand covers the rest.
“Remember fear is the first step towards the darkside. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering…” - Master Yoda.
CC - come out of hiding!!!
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@Field:
Clearly religion exists to give it’s follower’s hope for a better life and/or afterlife. Of course this varies from belief system to belief system. Religion, like governments and nations, can be born from the oppression of the former religion, government, etc., etc. Religious groups that use fear or propaganda have let their power and influence become abusive and need reform or revolution. Again, sounds alot like nations or governments. Why? Because they are all made up of PEOPLE who make mistakes or let power go to their heads. Religions are not imune - even if we think they should be - that’s life. Separating the wrongs in the past from the faithful of today can be and is difficult. Try not to hold it against them. I’ll only hate a man (or woman) who wrongs me. Not what someone in their religion did 500 years ago. This is where some “hate atheism” comes from. Some comes from religious oriented people who DO wrong them. Don’t fall into the trap of hating ALL of that group. Fear of different beliefs that you don’t understand covers the rest.
“Remember fear is the first step towards the darkside. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering…” - Master Yoda.
CC - come out of hiding!!!
Excellent FM. When i go on my rampage, killing people on the street in the name of FinsterniS, then naturally the whole world should be shocked and filled with anger at the daemon FinsterniS. Or pro-life. Or the environment. Or . . . (sub in your religion/politics/ideology here).
And please don’t make me log on everytime i sit at a computer.
and yes, i’m the pro-portuguese, pro-human-removing-aliens, pro-separation-of-anti-federalists, pro-God guest that has been infecting the columns. Stupid computer problems.- CC
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