I went when I was really young. I think I mainly visited resorts and amusement parks.
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Nah, meditation is more of a stage of heightened enlightenment. I wouldn’t exactly call prayer an outer body experience. :roll:
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they are all the same God.
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I’m pro prayer though.Then you would accept a muslim prayer in the classroom? I mean, it’s all the same god anyway.
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I’m sure I would…
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Now we’re getting to the real issue. Now we have no prayer in public schools. Say tomorrow, the law changed. Who’s prayer shall we recite? Will the Christians allow time for Muslim prayer? Will it be majority rule? Is this fair to the minority? I’d say no. This is the real issue our law makers are facing. Satisfy the Catholics and and the Jews might take offense. OK, lets hit the middle ground. Would all groups endorse a private silent prayer for each student? I’d buy that even with atheistic beliefs. But the real question is : will this compromise be enough???
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it would depend on the communittee. Some might call this giving the nod to plualists, depending on their degree of conservatism. The atheist crowd (what’s that woman’s name? it’s irish, i’m pretty sure) might consider this an affront to their belief that it’s inappropriate to pray to anyone in a public school.
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Am I wrong on this, but isn’t prayer supposed to be a personal? I mean, what use is it for the whole class to be saying the same prayer? Also I thought it was suppose to be silent or just a whisper, since only God will hear it. That’s the way I’ve been brought up to practice it.
But for a more pressing issue, today the Supreme Court declared the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional! That’s right, you can’t say the Pledge in schools anymore because atheistic sophist complain it uses the words, “under God.” I mean I was okay with this being optional (I even exercised this right myself), but to just throw it out completely is wrong IMHO. And my parents are against this too, and they’re atheist (though more border line agnostic)! What do you guys think?
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Whoever the guest is, your right about that. It’s dependent on the religion of those on the school board or whatever type of commitee they make to address the issue. That was a tactic that the hardcore christian’s of this nation used to get prayer in some school districts around the nation, get themselves elected into the school board to gain a majority control of it and then they could easily vote in prayer.
And to answer the question if all groups would endorse a time for each student to pray silently: I don’t really know, if you ask me it depends on how extreme the people that would vote on this issue are with their religion or the atheists are with having other religions also getting to pray in school.
And that Pledge of Allegiance thing, I agree, its BS to get rid of it completely all because of the words Under God. I mean dont say that if you are Atheist or dont believe in that god then its not that difficult to not say 2 words…
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TGM - I don’t know why some people (in this case certain atheists) got to get that extreme. I never had an issue with the “under God” line in the Pledge of Allegiance. They’re missing the point of the Pledge. As I said earlier, if you want to believe in something, believe in how good your country can be…
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Yeah, to prohibit the Pledge of Allegiance is unjustifiable. I’m okay with it being optional, but to ban it in its entirety is unfair to those who want to recite it. Hopefully the Supreme Court will relent on the decision or at least replace “under God” with “under our Founding Fathers” or “under the Bald Eagle” or whatever else is politically correct.
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what if your religion states that you have to shout your prayers really loud, so that your god can hear it ? :)
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hey F_alk, isn’t this a freedom of speech issue?
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“what if your religion states that you have to shout your prayers really loud, so that your god can hear it ?”
Well, under MY religion I can go out and shoot someone. It’s against my religion to do homework and even go to school! What makes my religion all the more legitimate than the one from above (well, so far I have heard of no religion that requires this)? What I can say is that you better be able to accept the consequences of what your “religion” dictates. However, to answer your question, I would say that the student may leave the classroom and find somewhere to “pray” so he doesn’t disturb the rest of the classes.
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well, i think that is a good option. I just found hte thought funny imagining a silent praying class and one student running and shouting around the room :)
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Just my point. Could everyone agree on an equal prayer time interval and what it entails? Silent prayer or outloud? Christian, Jewish, Moslem, etc., etc. ??? Can we reach common ground to compromise???
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of course you couldn’t call it a “prayer” time. That right there could cause a problem due to separation of church and state issues. You might call it “getting in touch with your inner self” time. (the “getting in touch with your OUTER self” time is, of course, as you are going to bed . . . ) :D
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@F_alk:
they are all the same God.
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I’m pro prayer though.Then you would accept a muslim prayer in the classroom? I mean, it’s all the same god anyway.
as much as any other prayer. if someone “has to make a scene” than it is contradictory to let someone pray differently. IMO, a school should say, “You could pray when and how you want to” and that is that. Though praying to Mecca is a very open expression of prayer, so is doing the father son, holy, spirit thing. I really just don’t care, but i do believe a school shouldn’t endorse prayer.
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“Could everyone agree on an equal prayer time interval and what it entails? Silent prayer or outloud?”
I don’t know about you guys, but here at our school, it’s called 15 minutes of SSR (silent sustained reading for long). This translates to you can take a nap, catch up on your reading assignments, get an early start on your homework, play poker, or pray. While the teachers would like (emphasis on “like”) to see you reading, anything else is fine as long as you keep quiet and don’t disturb the rest of the classroom (ie throwing papers airplanes around). So if you want to pray before you starting reading, go ahead. But if you don’t, hey, more power to ya. :wink:
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Sorry, been out of school too long to remember if this was even an issue (Class of 1986). I don’t think it was, Dzertfish do you recall?
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I’ll be Russia!
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if the majority was atheist, than in a conformist society, atheism would rule supreme.
that is certain
how long would that be certain? It only takes one or two Christians to “infect” a society.
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