“One quick question Horten, how do you do quotes? You seem to have a problem with mine (lots of ’t )”
It works with other people…you’re unlucky!
"“Communism and capitalism is not the problem, human greed is. Just in my opinion communism would hurt society more than capitalism.”
Tell me, what promotes the growth of human greed more, capitalism or communism? "
Both equally…Communism would hurt the situation more buy getting rid of the will to work and hurting society as a whole in the long run. That and plenty of other stuff…(concerning economic mobility, corruption of those who start up such a society…)
""And there are crimes in upscale neighborhoods…instead of robbing someone for 20, they cheat their taxes for way more… "
True (though I’m not sure on the exact number and how many are due to human errors because of the VAST amount of money involved). But are these rates higher than poverty stricken areas? I don’t think so. And even then, this is an arguement against capitalism. Only those looking out for themselves and scewing the system for “what’s theirs” will succeed in life."
Its true, but greed in all societies make people look out for themselves. I was just saying that everyone commits crime, regardless of place in society…some people do it less violently and it is socially acceptable.
"“but a perfect communist society would be heaven on earth, and man could never allow that to happen. You know that”
To a poor worker trying to edge out a livin on minimum wage, I would think communism would seem like heaven on earth to him. "
Minimum wage? I know people my age who make a couple of bucks more than that. Even illegal immigrants who work less than that (and live a floor above me!) work their asses hard and long enough until they make more than “minimum wage.” I know too many people who work as technicians work are taught under my father who are from foreign nations, and make a lot of money (and being an automotive technician is a huge investment, thousands upon thousands in tools, labscopes, computers, and certification.) You know what hell on Earth is? PEople who don’t work because they will be fed if they don’t anyway. People losing the will to work. A whole society that doesn’t strive. Then everyone starves.
"“The answer? What does i equal? what is 2 divided by 0…there is no real feasible answer. We cannot eliminate greed when it is required for sheer survival (like robbing milk out of your mothers breasts, to raiding the fridge.) People take what they want, and if you have the ability to take, selfishness will follow…”
I merely asked you if there was a system better than communism. In our present capitalistic system, there is still poverty. In fact, most of the world lives in poverty, trying to survive on less than 1000
calories a day. I wanted to know how you would go about solving this. How about a American capitalistic system in every government? Would that solve the world’s problems? It would seem like your answer was, “Well…well… it’s greed! Hahaha, you suckers will never solve it! " Like mini said, you have to have an open mind on this subject.”
A system is better than earth communism…earth capitalism. Why is it that independent communes collapse after the first generation? In most cases, newer generations aren’t as idealistic. Communism cannot work longterm (because the development of greed.)
I have an open mind, it is you commies who don’t. You ignore the facts that humans are greedy, that greed cannot be eliminated and what not. An american capitalistic system cannot work in every country because America is stronger and can take advantage (and does) of others, and people in those antions take advantage of their own. Now a whole world of communism? Imagaine everyone slacking off! You would have 0 calories per day.
IMO, you and mini fail to keep that open mind. Communes and nations tried to have communism. In some cases corrupt individuals behind ti, advancing their own needs made things worse, and in other cases the fact that future generations did not idealistically comply are all reasons why communism doesn’t work.
Now I repeated myself a million times, but i’ll say it again. If everyone was a perfect individual, then communism and capitalism would work perfectly…but this is just not true. People need a reason to work and compete.
Now just to debate against the praticality of a world wide communistic system, how would you go about creating it? Would you make America communist first? America doing it alone would never work out, because its economy would suffer, and people would be like “I owned a lot more stuff when we weren’t commies…” And the people in power…who will they serve? The good of us? Ha! At least in a capitalists society you can work harder than others, do better than others.
"“When everyone works for the state, they become lazy.”
It depends on what you mean by lazy. We certainly have the machines and technology to greatly speed up and cut the amount of work. Why not use these machines to shorten needed work hours and thereby allow people to persue intellectual, physical, and secular activities? Of course, seeing someone under a tree dozing off when he simply doesn’t need to work would be considered “lazy” by the capitalist consumed with producing goods for the mass market."
That would be nice…but come on! People would only want to work 6 hours a day, 4 days a week, have a month off for christmas, and 3 for summer. How long can a society last like that?
It would be nice to make comptuers smart enough to do our work. but who would fix them, smarter computers? Just because they aren’t made of flesh, what gives us the right to enslave a race of machines that are smart enough to do human work?
I bet when man invented the sewing machine and steam engine he said, “Boy, work can be cut drastically!”
I bet when Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin he said, “Boy, there will be no need for slaves because this can do the work of many men!”
Didn’t you notice that our quality of life is a lot better than 50 years ago? Machines do our math, machines wash our clothes, machines move us place to place…are we happier? Don’t we still work? We might have more things and more machines doing aspects of human work, but there is a man behind every machine, from the wind mill to the gasoline engine. Sure we might not have to move ourselves, but we have to drive the car.
So no, increases in technology will not eliminate all human work.
Now sitting under a tree being an intellectual…sounds good.
BTW, if a machine can be emotional, would you feel right enslaving it?
