L26 Classic trimlinger +8 v gamerman01 allies, game 2

[gamerman01]

@gamerman01 said in L26 Classic trimlinger +8 v gamerman01 allies, game 2:

I think it can be argued that you can’t make a noncom in the combat movement phase, however, I’ve never played someone who does.

That was ambiguous.

I’ve never played someone who argues that you can’t make a noncombat movement (early) in the combat movement phase.

[gamerman01]

Also, I’ve enjoyed and appreciated the relatively fast pace of our games so far, and no worries that you have a little delay.

[trimlinger]

@gamerman01 Understood, thanks for your detailed reply! I do see one additional advantage offered to the moving player you did not mention, however: if the defending player has subs and they survive the first attack, they could use the special sub retreat ability to block off the carrier pickup zone(s) and indirectly destroy all attacking fighters. However, if the carrier combat moved to its pickup zone(s) BEFORE the actual combat began, that option would not be available to the defending subs.

[trimlinger]

@trimlinger All that said, if players have decided that non-combat movement during the combat phase is permissible, then I will certainly not challenge that now. I’ll take my turn with the understanding that the carrier can move to its pickup zone before any subs have a chance to block it.

[gamerman01]

Oh. Yeah. I’m not used to that rule yet.

Then in classic it’s important.
I was talking about all my years with AA50 and G40.

Page 12 says combat movement is when you move units to enemy territories and zones. Therefore it is actually against the rules to move any noncombat moves in the combat movement phase, and then defending subs can absolutely reduce options for the player’s turn.

[gamerman01]

But I should add -

Blitzing is combat move and doesn’t necessarily involve OCCUPIED territories, nor does violating neutrality which the rulebook also makes clear is a combat move.

[trimlinger]

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 carrier and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        2 battleships, 1 carrier, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from South Argentina Sea Zone to South Brazil Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from South Brazil Sea Zone to Brazil
              Japanese take Brazil from Americans

    Combat - Japanese

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 fighter moved from South Argentina Sea Zone to Libya
        1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 armour and 3 infantry moved from French Indo China to China
        1 armour and 6 infantry moved from Manchuria to China
        1 aaGun moved from Japan to Japan Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Japan Sea Zone to Manchuria

    Place Units - Japanese
        8 infantry placed in Japan
        1 carrier placed in Japan Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 38 PUs; end with 40 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 2 armour, 2 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        2 infantry moved from West US to West US Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from West US Sea Zone to Wake Island Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Wake Island Sea Zone to Wake Island
              Americans take Wake Island from Japanese
        2 infantry moved from West Canada to West US Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from West US Sea Zone to Hawaii Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Hawaii Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
              Americans take Hawaiian Islands from Japanese
        1 infantry moved from India to French Indo China
        1 bomber moved from Novosibirsk to French Indo China

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in French Indo China
            Americans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in French Indo China, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in French Indo China, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in French Indo China
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in French Indo China
            Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 bomber moved from French Indo China to Sinkiang
        1 infantry moved from India to Sinkiang
        1 transport moved from West US Sea Zone to North Pacific Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from West Canada to West US
        1 infantry moved from Alaska to West Canada
        1 aaGun moved from West US to Mexico
        2 carriers and 3 fighters moved from West US Sea Zone to Hawaii Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from West US to Hawaii Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from West US to Midway
        1 aaGun moved from West Canada to West US

    Place Units - Americans
        2 transports placed in West US Sea Zone
        2 armour and 2 infantry placed in West US

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 31 PUs; end with 31 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 1.17
Japanese regular : 0.67

Savegame

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 1 armour and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 armour moved from India to Kwangtung
              Russians take French Indo China from Japanese
              Russians take Kwangtung from Japanese
        1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from India to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Ukraine S.S.R.

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Yakut S.S.R.
            Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Yakut S.S.R.
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yakut S.S.R.
            Russians win, taking Yakut S.S.R. from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Russians attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Russians win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans with 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 aaGun moved from Sinkiang to Novosibirsk
        1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from India to Sinkiang
        1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Sinkiang
        1 fighter moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Sinkiang
        2 fighters moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Karelia S.S.R.
        2 infantry moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R.
        2 armour moved from Russia to Sinkiang
        1 armour moved from Novosibirsk to Sinkiang
        1 infantry moved from Russia to Novosibirsk

    Place Units - Russians
        1 armour placed in Russia
        6 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R.

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0.67
Germans regular : -0.33
Russians regular : 0.83

Savegame

[trimlinger]

@gamerman01 I am not comfortable selecting your losses for G5’s combat phase. As a summary of the situation so far:

Germany did not roll tech.

Germany built 2 transports and 7 infantry, with 2 IPCs left over

Germany attacked the 2 British fighters in Persia with 2 fighters from Anglo-Egypt Sudan and 1 fighter from Eastern Europe. Both sides lost everything: Germany lost all 3 fighters and Britain lost all 2.

Germany is attacking Ukraine with 25 infantry and 8 tanks (unresolved as of yet)

Germany is attacking India, which has 2 British fighters and 1 British bomber, with 1 infantry and one bomber from Anglo-Egypt Sudan, along with a naval bombardment. The transport, battleship, and both subs from the sea zone north of Anglo-Egypt Sudan and west of Syria Jordan have all moved to the India sea zone. The naval bombardment scored a hit. These were all of Germany’s combat moves. Would you prefer to take the hit in a fighter or the bomber?

[trimlinger]

@gamerman01 I am extremely sorry: I neglected to mention one additional German combat move. The tank in South Africa moved up to take Italian East Africa, which was uncontested.

[gamerman01]

You should be able to save all that trouble by going file -> post PBEM/save whatever. Or, you can save the file File->Save and upload that to the game thread.

Thank you for providing the details! So we have battleship, infantry, bomber vs bomber, 2 fighters.

Very interesting moves, I was completely blindsided. I’m lucky the British fighters hit.

Of course you are right to stop and ask.
I will lose the bomber

[trimlinger]

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 7 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 fighter moved from East Europe to Persia
        2 fighters moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Persia
        1 infantry moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to East Mediteranean Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport moved from East Mediteranean Sea Zone to Indian Ocean Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Indian Ocean Sea Zone to India
        1 bomber moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to India
        8 armour and 25 infantry moved from East Europe to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 armour moved from South Africa to Italian East Africa
              Germans take Italian East Africa from British

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Persia
            Germans attack with 3 fighters
            British defend with 2 fighters
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters in Persia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 2 fighters in Persia, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                2 fighters owned by the Germans lost in Persia
                1 fighter owned by the British lost in Persia
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in Persia, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 fighter in Persia, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in Persia
                1 fighter owned by the British lost in Persia
            British win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -12
            Casualties for Germans: 3 fighters
            Casualties for British: 2 fighters
        Battle in India
            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
            British defend with 1 bomber and 2 fighters
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in India, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in India, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 fighters in India, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 bomber owned by the Germans lost in India
                1 bomber owned by the British and 2 fighters owned by the British lost in India
            British win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is 21
            Casualties for Germans: 1 bomber and 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 bomber and 2 fighters
        Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Germans attack with 8 armour and 25 infantry
            Russians defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 8 armour and 25 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 8/33 hits, 8.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 8 armour and 24 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        2 infantry moved from West Europe to Germany
        8 infantry moved from Germany to East Europe

    Place Units - Germans
        2 transports placed in Central Mediteranean Sea Zone
        7 infantry placed in Germany
        Germans undo move 2.
        4 infantry placed in South Europe
        Germans undo move 2.
        7 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 37 PUs; end with 39 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 0.33
Germans regular : 1.33
British regular : 1.50

Savegame

[trimlinger]

@gamerman01 I took that luck right back in India, haha. Thanks for clarifying with the post PBEM/save! I’ll do that when this comes up again.

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 2 armour and 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to Anglo Sudan Egypt
              British take Anglo Sudan Egypt from Germans
        1 armour moved from French Equatorial Africa to Libya
        3 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to Libya

    Combat - British
        Battle in Libya
            British attack with 1 armour and 3 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 fighter
                British roll dice for 1 armour and 3 infantry in Libya, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in Libya, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 armour and 3 infantry in Libya, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in Libya, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Japanese lost in Libya
            British win, taking Libya from Germans with 1 armour and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter

    Non Combat Move - British
        6 infantry moved from Finland Norway to Karelia S.S.R.
        1 transport moved from North Sea Zone to East Canada Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from West Canada to East Canada Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from East Canada Sea Zone to North Sea Zone
        3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from North Sea Zone to Karelia Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Karelia Sea Zone to Karelia S.S.R.
        2 infantry moved from North Sea Zone to Finland Norway
        1 armour and 2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
        1 armour, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from North Sea Zone to Karelia Sea Zone
        1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Karelia Sea Zone to Karelia S.S.R.

    Place Units - British
        2 armour and 1 fighter placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : -1.33
British regular : 0.00

Savegame

[trimlinger]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Japanese round 5

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: Classic League

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 fighter and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        7 infantry moved from Japan to Japan Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 7 infantry, 4 submarines and 5 transports moved from Japan Sea Zone to Kwangtung Sea Zone
        7 infantry moved from Kwangtung Sea Zone to Kwangtung
        1 armour moved from China to French Indo China
              Japanese take French Indo China from Russians
        1 armour moved from French Indo China to Sinkiang
        1 armour and 9 infantry moved from China to Sinkiang
        1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Manchuria to Sinkiang
        2 infantry moved from Brazil to South Brazil Sea Zone
        2 battleships, 1 carrier, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from South Brazil Sea Zone to Congo Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Congo Sea Zone to French Equatorial Africa
              Japanese take French Equatorial Africa from British

    Combat - Japanese

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[trimlinger]

@gamerman01 The dice server is down at the moment, but here are the J5 purchases and combat moves. It’s getting late, so I’m going to bed, and hopefully by morning the issues with the dice server will be resolved and I can take this move. I anticipate that Russia and the US will take losses in Sinkiang, which is now quite crowded. I suspect your loss choices will heavily depend on the losses I myself take, e.g. to AA fire, so this combat move might take a while even after the dice server is back up.

[trimlinger]

@gamerman01 And of course I immediately regret these moves before the dice are even thrown… I think I should have moved the Japanese fleet in the Atlantic north to the sea zone west of Spain and dumped the infantry into France. I’m hoping we can chat about it after the game is over? I think we’re pretty close to the end now barring some very lucky rolls for me.