@BobbaRossa Yea, I hate doing Taranto because of the IPC unit loss, but the BB has to go.
L26 Classic trimlinger +8 v gamerman01 allies, game 2
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TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 3
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League
Game History
Round: 3 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 4 submarines; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; Combat Move - Japanese 1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from China to Yakut S.S.R. 2 infantry moved from Manchuria to Yakut S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from China to Sinkiang Japanese take Sinkiang from Americans 4 infantry moved from China to French Indo China Japanese take French Indo China from Russians 1 armour moved from Manchuria to French Indo China Combat - Japanese Battle in Yakut S.S.R. Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Yakut S.S.R. Japanese win, taking Yakut S.S.R. from Russians with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Manchuria 1 transport moved from Alaska Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone 1 armour and 6 infantry moved from Japan to Japan Sea Zone 1 armour and 6 infantry moved from Japan Sea Zone to Manchuria 1 transport moved from North Australia Sea Zone to New Zealand Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from New Zealand to New Zealand Sea Zone 2 battleships, 1 carrier and 1 fighter moved from North Australia Sea Zone to South Argentina Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from New Zealand Sea Zone to South Argentina Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese 4 submarines placed in Japan Sea Zone Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 39 PUs; end with 44 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Japanese regular : 0.00 Russians regular : -0.33 -
TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 3
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League
Game History
Round: 3 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 2 fighters and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 infantry moved from West Canada to Alaska Americans take Alaska from Japanese Combat - Americans Non Combat Move - Americans 2 fighters moved from West Canada to West US Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from West Africa Sea Zone to West US Sea Zone 1 carrier and 1 transport moved from West Panama Sea Zone to West US Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from West US Sea Zone to Midway Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Midway to Midway Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Midway Sea Zone to West US Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from West US Sea Zone to West Canada 1 armour moved from Panama to West US 1 aaGun moved from West US to East US 1 aaGun moved from Mexico to West US 1 bomber moved from Midway to Novosibirsk Place Units - Americans 2 fighters and 2 infantry placed in West US Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 31 PUs; end with 32 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League
Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 1 armour and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Yakut S.S.R. 1 fighter moved from Novosibirsk to Yakut S.S.R. 1 fighter moved from Russia to Yakut S.S.R. 1 armour moved from Russia to Yakut S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from India to Sinkiang 1 armour moved from Russia to Sinkiang Combat - Russians Battle in Yakut S.S.R. Russians attack with 1 armour, 2 fighters and 1 infantry Japanese defend with 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Yakut S.S.R. 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yakut S.S.R. Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 2 fighters in Yakut S.S.R., round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Yakut S.S.R. 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yakut S.S.R. Russians win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2 Casualties for Russians: 1 armour and 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Battle in Sinkiang Russians attack with 1 armour and 1 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Sinkiang, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Sinkiang, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Sinkiang Russians win, taking Sinkiang from Japanese with 1 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 fighter moved from Yakut S.S.R. to India 1 fighter moved from West Africa Sea Zone to Karelia S.S.R. 3 infantry moved from Russia to Novosibirsk 1 armour moved from Russia to Novosibirsk 1 fighter moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Novosibirsk 1 aaGun moved from Novosibirsk to Sinkiang Place Units - Russians 5 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R. 1 armour and 3 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 22 PUs; end with 23 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Japanese regular : 0.67 Russians regular : -0.83 -
TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League
Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 transport moved from East Mediteranean Sea Zone to Black Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from East Europe to Black Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Black Sea Zone to East Mediteranean Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from East Mediteranean Sea Zone to Syria Jordan 1 fighter moved from East Europe to Syria Jordan 2 infantry moved from East Europe to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 fighter moved from West Europe to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 fighter moved from East Europe to Syria Jordan 1 bomber moved from Libya to Red Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Congo to South Africa Germans take South Africa from British Combat - Germans Battle in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry British defend with 1 armour Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits British roll dice for 1 armour in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R. 1 armour owned by the British lost in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from British with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour Battle in Red Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber British defend with 1 transport Germans roll dice for 1 bomber in Red Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 transport in Red Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 transport owned by the British lost in Red Sea Zone Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for British: 1 transport Battle in Syria Jordan Germans attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry British defend with 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in Syria Jordan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Syria Jordan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits British roll dice for 2 infantry in Syria Jordan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Syria Jordan Germans win, taking Syria Jordan from British with 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for British: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Congo to Anglo Sudan Egypt 1 bomber moved from Red Sea Zone to Anglo Sudan Egypt 2 fighters moved from Syria Jordan to Anglo Sudan Egypt 1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to East Europe 12 infantry moved from Germany to East Europe Place Units - Germans 12 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 38 PUs; end with 39 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 0.50 British regular : -0.17 -
TripleA Turn Summary: British round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League
Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - British British buy 1 armour, 5 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 armour moved from French West Africa to French Equatorial Africa British take Algeria from Germans British take French Equatorial Africa from Germans 1 bomber moved from Novosibirsk to Syria Jordan 2 fighters moved from Persia to Syria Jordan 2 fighters moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Syria Jordan Combat - British Battle in Syria Jordan British attack with 1 bomber and 4 fighters Germans defend with 2 infantry British roll dice for 1 bomber and 4 fighters in Syria Jordan, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Syria Jordan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Syria Jordan British roll dice for 1 bomber and 4 fighters in Syria Jordan, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Syria Jordan, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Syria Jordan British win with 1 bomber and 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - British 2 fighters moved from Syria Jordan to Persia 1 infantry moved from West US Sea Zone to West Canada 4 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Equatorial Africa 1 carrier and 3 transports moved from West Africa Sea Zone to North Sea Zone 6 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone 6 infantry moved from North Sea Zone to Finland Norway 1 fighter moved from Syria Jordan to India 1 fighter moved from Syria Jordan to India 1 bomber moved from Syria Jordan to India Place Units - British 1 armour and 5 infantry placed in United Kingdom 1 transport placed in North Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 21 PUs; end with 22 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -1.00 British regular : -3.33 -
@gamerman01 Please forgive my delay in taking J4! However, I would like a rule clarification. Are units permitted to move during the combat phase if they do not actually enter an enemy-occupied territory or sea zone, or in fact engage in any combat at all? Or is that movement REQUIRED to take place during the non-combat movement phase? Specifically: after a fighter has launched from a carrier and attacked an enemy-occupied sea zone during the combat phase, can the carrier also combat move to a different, neutral sea zone where the fighter intends to go during non-combat movement? Or is that carrier movement REQUIRED to take place during the non-combat movement phase? I apologize for getting into these technicalities, but they are actually extremely important for how I want to play J4, and the rulebook is not entirely clear to me. Thank you for your patience and understanding!
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Do not apologize!
Movements that do not result in combat (your carrier) are SUPPOSED to be made in the noncombat move, however, virtually everyone is fine with noncombat moves in the combat move phase.
Noncombat moves in the combat move phase only, potentially, disadvantage the moving player because if you move something in the combat movement phase they are frozen since they can’t be moved again in the noncombat movement phase. This includes aircraft, because only aircraft can move in both phases, but that is only if they attack something.
I think it can be argued that you can’t make a noncom (without me checking the rulebook again to make sure) in the combat movement phase, however, I’ve never played someone who does.
But there IS one advantage to be gained by the moving player, and that is that for many players it’s easier to keep things straight by moving more or everything in the combat movement phase. But again, players don’t protest this, generally, because anything you move in the combat movement phase is locked in and you haven’t seen the dice results yet.
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@gamerman01 said in L26 Classic trimlinger +8 v gamerman01 allies, game 2:
I think it can be argued that you can’t make a noncom in the combat movement phase, however, I’ve never played someone who does.
That was ambiguous.
I’ve never played someone who argues that you can’t make a noncombat movement (early) in the combat movement phase.
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Also, I’ve enjoyed and appreciated the relatively fast pace of our games so far, and no worries that you have a little delay.
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@gamerman01 Understood, thanks for your detailed reply! I do see one additional advantage offered to the moving player you did not mention, however: if the defending player has subs and they survive the first attack, they could use the special sub retreat ability to block off the carrier pickup zone(s) and indirectly destroy all attacking fighters. However, if the carrier combat moved to its pickup zone(s) BEFORE the actual combat began, that option would not be available to the defending subs.
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@trimlinger All that said, if players have decided that non-combat movement during the combat phase is permissible, then I will certainly not challenge that now. I’ll take my turn with the understanding that the carrier can move to its pickup zone before any subs have a chance to block it.
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Oh. Yeah. I’m not used to that rule yet.
Then in classic it’s important.
I was talking about all my years with AA50 and G40.Page 12 says combat movement is when you move units to enemy territories and zones. Therefore it is actually against the rules to move any noncombat moves in the combat movement phase, and then defending subs can absolutely reduce options for the player’s turn.
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But I should add -
Blitzing is combat move and doesn’t necessarily involve OCCUPIED territories, nor does violating neutrality which the rulebook also makes clear is a combat move.
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