The_Good_Captain (Axis) vs. VictoryFirst (Allies) | North Africa, Rommel's Last Push

[The_Good_Captain]

@VictoryFirst regarding your pop up. Very cool! The game refers to them as Shermans so I don’t think you can change it but those were actually M3 “Grants”, not Shermans.

But like I said, the game refers to them as Shermans and the piece itself is a Sherman so it should stay Sherman.

But when I make my YouTuve video series, they will be the Grant tank, hah!

[The_Good_Captain]

@VictoryFirst also, just in case you didn’t see it bc it got buried: It’s UK turn.

[VictoryFirst]

@The_Good_Captain Thanks! I will move here once I have moved in my two games against Gamerman (Classic and G40). Otherwise those games would be going too slowly. And apologies in advance if my turns take very long. I am taking more thinking time for turns than I used to take and with 6 games I don’t have enough free-time to play quickly everywhere (that’s why I didn’t move for 6 days in our Classic game).

I tended to play here more quickly because I don’t care so much about strategy and that makes the turns easier. However that has resulted in me not playing in some of the other games. So I will probably switch between playing fast/slowly in all of the games to make sure each game eventually gets the same amount of attention.

[VictoryFirst]

@The_Good_Captain LOL about the LL tanks! I didn’t know that. The game is teaching me incorrect stuff lol. For fun, I could mention that in the pop-up. “The Americans have lent-leased two of their shiny M3 Grants to us that have magically transformed into Shermans!” 😂

[The_Good_Captain]

@VictoryFirst I think Renegade just wanted to use a sculpt that already existed. So they went with the historical inaccuracy. I’d just let it be. It only irks ww2 nerds like me I think.

Then again, your comment is also a fun “Easter egg” that might get players googling.

And I totally understand about the amount of games. I have four games going and a fifth starting soon. I too was playing this one quickly because it was more for familiarity and devlopment than being competitive. Take your time. No rush. You and I are “in the same boat”.

[VictoryFirst]

Just moved in my two gamerman01 games, so this game here will be next.

I am noticing that it can become pretty confusing who controls which land mine and where they are placed if you have a lot of land mines. The comments in the comment log don’t help as much. I find the way the module currently handles mines is annoying to work with and could therefore scare off new players.

For now, I recommend to use the following way to keep track of land mines. First state the territory, then list the border territories in which the mines in that territory are dug in. This way it is clear 1) in which territory the land mine in question is in 2) who controls the land mine.

If you just list the number of land mines, it isn’t clear WHICH land mines are inside the territory. For example, Bir Hacheim has three land mines in it but the module shows five mines adjacent to Bir Hacheim and then it is very easy to lose the overview.

So for our game it would look like this:

Benghazi: BEN-TOB
Tobruk: BEN-TOB
Mersa Brega: BIR-BRE
Bir Hacheim: BEN-BIR, BIR-JAL, BIR-SIW
Mersa Matruh: BIR-MAT
Cairo: 4x CAI-MAT

I am bringing this up because I was debating whether to move into Bir Hacheim this turn, and this decision depends on the number of land mines I will capture by doing this. However, with five land mines bordering Bir Hacheim, some in Bir Hacheim and others from other territories, I got really confused and had to look through the history.

I think it’s best if both sides keep track of this in a text file and send that along with the turn, and update it whenever mines get placed or detonated. Or players could keep track of it independently of each other. A text file works better than the comment log because as far as I know, you cannot edit or delete messages in the comment log and then you would have a lot of outdated information there.

This new method helps a bit, however it doesn’t completely solve the problem. Players still have to look carefully at the txt. file and go back and forth between it and the game to understand the distribution of the mines. It would be best if you could extract all of this information just by looking at the board (as you would in an OOB game).

That’s why I think the idea of splitting all border territories into two would be best. If you have mines in one territory, they are placed in the first border territory. If they are placed in the other, they are placed in the other border territory. Now all information is immediately clear, and with some imagination you can even imagine the mine sitting along the border of the territory.

The drawback is that this isn’t a quick thing to implement. It will take a decent amount of time. Also due to some trickery, I was able to make the map look nice again (no “ghost” borders in El Agheila or JAL-SIW) but if there are changes made to every single border territory, the same problem would appear there as well and I would have to apply this “trickery” also to every border territory and that will take a massive amount of time. Or I need to figure out how Black_Elk made the reliefTiles for our game. Then it wouldn’t be too bad. Sadly he doesn’t respond to my messages and all my attempts of creating reliefTiles myself failed miserably.

Just let me know what you would like. I think to make the module completely perfect, the mine issue has to be solved, or at least mitigated enough. However that will take some time unfortunately.

[The_Good_Captain]

@VictoryFirst i agree that the mine issue will be problematic. I believe if you can solve it with the “two boarders” solution, it would be worth it. As for the time it would take: I will do the ‘how to video’ with the next version of africa. when/if you finish the mines update, we will simply update the download links. to that end, i will mention in the video that there is work being done to make the mines work better.

that’s how i feel about it anyway. also, we need to work out how we can direct folks to donate. should you send me a link?

[VictoryFirst]

@The_Good_Captain

Thanks! Your opinion is very valuable. I will upload version 1.5 with some small fixes (adding the connection between Malta Convoy and Malta, and explaining how to deal with the mines in the game notes) and then reserve version 1.6 for a complete rework of the border territories.

That way, if version 1.6 takes too long, you can use version 1.5 to record your video. Version 1.5’s clunky part would only be the land mines so it is still good enough to cover the rest of the module.

Good you mention the donations. I did some research and figured out how to set up donations via PayPal. I will share the link with you via Discord. Anyone can click on it and will be directed to a page where they can donate any amount to me.

[VictoryFirst]

Also, I think the last things we need are automatic victory conditions and a Torch scenario, I will leave that for version 1.7. You can also mention this in the video.

Actually, if we use the GitHub link, the download links wouldn’t need to be updated. The GitHub link always stays the same. You just need to let people know that there is a newer version and then direct them to the GitHub repository.

I will still ask if we can get the module downloadable via TripleA though, that will by far be the easiest way. It could be susceptible to copyright infringements because some things of the OOB game are exactly copied, like the unit names, the map, the supply, and the naval sillhouettes. But Renegade games might be not as strict as Hasbro!

[VictoryFirst]

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: North Africa - Rommel’s Last Push

Game History

Round: 4

    Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Mersa Matruh to Bir Hacheim

    Non Combat Move - British
        Trigger AddCoastRoadCairo: British has 1 coast_road placed in Cairo
        Trigger AddCoastRoadMersa Matruh: British has 1 coast_road placed in Mersa Matruh
        Trigger AddCoastRoadTobruk: British has 1 coast_road placed in Tobruk
        Trigger RemoveCoastRoadMersa Matruh: has removed 1 coast_road owned by British in Mersa Matruh
        Trigger RemoveCoastRoadCairo: has removed 1 coast_road owned by British in Cairo
        Trigger RemoveCoastRoadTobruk: has removed 1 coast_road owned by British in Tobruk
        1 infantry moved from Cairo to Mersa Matruh

    Place Units - British
        1 UK-fighter and 1 bomber placed in Malta Convoy
        1 5-supply, 2 UK-scoutcars, 1 infantry and 1 matilda placed in Atlantic Ocean Convoy
        Trigger FreeUKTanks: British has 2 shermen placed in Atlantic Ocean Convoy

    Assign Convoy Escorts - British
        Trigger SetBritishAircraftToKamikaze: Setting isKamikaze to true for unitAttachment attached to UK-fighter
        Trigger SetBritishAircraftToKamikaze: Setting isKamikaze to true for unitAttachment attached to bomber
        Trigger ReduceMovementBritishAircraft: Setting movement to 2 for unitAttachment attached to UK-fighter
        Trigger ReduceMovementBritishAircraft: Setting movement to 2 for unitAttachment attached to bomber
        Trigger RemoveSupplySaharaDesert: has removed 17 1-supplys and 6 5-supplys owned by Uncontrolled in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British5-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1German1-supplyJalo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 4British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1Italian5-supplyTripoli Convoy I: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 7British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1German5-supplyJalo: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British5-supplyAtlantic Ocean Convoy: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 6British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British1-supplyMalta Convoy: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1German1-supplyTripoli: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British1-supplyMalta: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 2British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 9British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 2German1-supplyEl Agheila: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 2British1-supplyMalta: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 8British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 2British5-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British5-supplyTobruk: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 5British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1German1-supplyEl Agheila: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 3British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1German5-supplyBenghazi: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger IncreaseAircraftMovementTo4: Setting movement to 4 for unitAttachment attached to UK-fighter
        Trigger RemoveKamikaze: Setting isKamikaze to false for unitAttachment attached to UK-fighter
        Trigger RemoveKamikaze: Setting isKamikaze to false for unitAttachment attached to bomber
        Trigger IncreaseAircraftMovementTo6: Setting movement to 6 for unitAttachment attached to bomber
        Trigger AddCarrierToSea Zone 12British: British has 1 carrier placed in Sea Zone 12
        1 UK-fighter and 1 bomber moved from Malta Convoy to Sea Zone 12
        3 UK-fighters moved from Malta to Sea Zone 12

    End Turn - British
        British collect 0 PUs; end with 5 PUs
        Objective British Base Income: British met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 11 PUs

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[VictoryFirst]

Updated mine overview:

Benghazi: BEN-TOB
Tobruk: 2x BEN-TOB
Mersa Brega: BIR-BRE
Bir Hacheim: BEN-BIR, BIR-JAL, BIR-SIW
Mersa Matruh: BIR-MAT, MAT-SIW
Cairo: 5x CAI-MAT

[VictoryFirst]

So the mines in BEN-BIR, BIR-JAL, BIR-SIW are now controlled by me. The mine in BIR-MAT was already controlled by me. The mine in BIR-BRE is controlled by you

[VictoryFirst]

My bad, I am violating the stacking limits of Malta with my turn. Let me correct this…

[VictoryFirst]

I forgot that air units count against the stacking limits. Knowing this, I would not have bought an AA gun for Malta on round 3 because that means I can have one less fighter there.

For simplicity, let’s just say I bought an infantry from that money and placed it in Atlantic Ocean Convoy.

This turn I bought a bomber and a fighter and placed them in Malta Convoy. Right now, they don’t violate any stacking limits but once it is my next turn, all planes need to land and the only spot for them to land is Malta, and I can only land three planes there. So I will instead purchase a bomber, a scout car and a submarine. I will place the bomber and scout car in Atlantic Ocean Convoy and the submarine in SZ 3

[VictoryFirst]

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: North Africa - Rommel’s Last Push

Game History

Round: 4

    Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Mersa Matruh to Bir Hacheim

    Non Combat Move - British
        Trigger AddCoastRoadCairo: British has 1 coast_road placed in Cairo
        Trigger AddCoastRoadMersa Matruh: British has 1 coast_road placed in Mersa Matruh
        Trigger AddCoastRoadTobruk: British has 1 coast_road placed in Tobruk
        Trigger RemoveCoastRoadMersa Matruh: has removed 1 coast_road owned by British in Mersa Matruh
        Trigger RemoveCoastRoadCairo: has removed 1 coast_road owned by British in Cairo
        Trigger RemoveCoastRoadTobruk: has removed 1 coast_road owned by British in Tobruk
        1 infantry moved from Cairo to Mersa Matruh

    Place Units - British
        1 UK-fighter and 1 bomber placed in Malta Convoy
        1 5-supply, 2 UK-scoutcars, 1 infantry and 1 matilda placed in Atlantic Ocean Convoy
        Trigger FreeUKTanks: British has 2 shermen placed in Atlantic Ocean Convoy

    Assign Convoy Escorts - British
        Trigger SetBritishAircraftToKamikaze: Setting isKamikaze to true for unitAttachment attached to UK-fighter
        Trigger SetBritishAircraftToKamikaze: Setting isKamikaze to true for unitAttachment attached to bomber
        Trigger ReduceMovementBritishAircraft: Setting movement to 2 for unitAttachment attached to UK-fighter
        Trigger ReduceMovementBritishAircraft: Setting movement to 2 for unitAttachment attached to bomber
        Trigger RemoveSupplySaharaDesert: has removed 17 1-supplys and 6 5-supplys owned by Uncontrolled in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British5-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1German1-supplyJalo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 4British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1Italian5-supplyTripoli Convoy I: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 7British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1German5-supplyJalo: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British5-supplyAtlantic Ocean Convoy: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 6British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British1-supplyMalta Convoy: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1German1-supplyTripoli: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British1-supplyMalta: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 2British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 9British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 2German1-supplyEl Agheila: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 2British1-supplyMalta: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 8British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 2British5-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British5-supplyTobruk: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 5British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1German1-supplyEl Agheila: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 3British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1German5-supplyBenghazi: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger IncreaseAircraftMovementTo4: Setting movement to 4 for unitAttachment attached to UK-fighter
        Trigger RemoveKamikaze: Setting isKamikaze to false for unitAttachment attached to UK-fighter
        Trigger RemoveKamikaze: Setting isKamikaze to false for unitAttachment attached to bomber
        Trigger IncreaseAircraftMovementTo6: Setting movement to 6 for unitAttachment attached to bomber
        Trigger AddCarrierToSea Zone 12British: British has 1 carrier placed in Sea Zone 12
        1 UK-fighter and 1 bomber moved from Malta Convoy to Sea Zone 12
        3 UK-fighters moved from Malta to Sea Zone 12

    End Turn - British
        British collect 0 PUs; end with 5 PUs
        Objective British Base Income: British met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 11 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Malta: 1 UK-aaGun
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Atlantic Ocean Convoy: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Sea Zone 12: 1 UK-fighter and 1 bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Sea Zone 3: 1 UK-submarine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Atlantic Ocean Convoy: 1 UK-scoutcar and 1 bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

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[VictoryFirst]

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: North Africa - Rommel’s Last Push

Game History

Round: 4

    Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Mersa Matruh to Bir Hacheim

    Non Combat Move - British
        Trigger AddCoastRoadCairo: British has 1 coast_road placed in Cairo
        Trigger AddCoastRoadMersa Matruh: British has 1 coast_road placed in Mersa Matruh
        Trigger AddCoastRoadTobruk: British has 1 coast_road placed in Tobruk
        Trigger RemoveCoastRoadMersa Matruh: has removed 1 coast_road owned by British in Mersa Matruh
        Trigger RemoveCoastRoadCairo: has removed 1 coast_road owned by British in Cairo
        Trigger RemoveCoastRoadTobruk: has removed 1 coast_road owned by British in Tobruk
        1 infantry moved from Cairo to Mersa Matruh

    Place Units - British
        1 UK-fighter and 1 bomber placed in Malta Convoy
        1 5-supply, 2 UK-scoutcars, 1 infantry and 1 matilda placed in Atlantic Ocean Convoy
        Trigger FreeUKTanks: British has 2 shermen placed in Atlantic Ocean Convoy

    Assign Convoy Escorts - British
        Trigger SetBritishAircraftToKamikaze: Setting isKamikaze to true for unitAttachment attached to UK-fighter
        Trigger SetBritishAircraftToKamikaze: Setting isKamikaze to true for unitAttachment attached to bomber
        Trigger ReduceMovementBritishAircraft: Setting movement to 2 for unitAttachment attached to UK-fighter
        Trigger ReduceMovementBritishAircraft: Setting movement to 2 for unitAttachment attached to bomber
        Trigger RemoveSupplySaharaDesert: has removed 17 1-supplys and 6 5-supplys owned by Uncontrolled in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British5-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1German1-supplyJalo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 4British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1Italian5-supplyTripoli Convoy I: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 7British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1German5-supplyJalo: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British5-supplyAtlantic Ocean Convoy: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 6British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British1-supplyMalta Convoy: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1German1-supplyTripoli: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British1-supplyMalta: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 2British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 9British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 2German1-supplyEl Agheila: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 2British1-supplyMalta: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 8British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 2British5-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1British5-supplyTobruk: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 5British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1German1-supplyEl Agheila: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 3British1-supplyCairo: Uncontrolled has 1 1-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger 1German5-supplyBenghazi: Uncontrolled has 1 5-supply placed in Sahara Desert 1
        Trigger IncreaseAircraftMovementTo4: Setting movement to 4 for unitAttachment attached to UK-fighter
        Trigger RemoveKamikaze: Setting isKamikaze to false for unitAttachment attached to UK-fighter
        Trigger RemoveKamikaze: Setting isKamikaze to false for unitAttachment attached to bomber
        Trigger IncreaseAircraftMovementTo6: Setting movement to 6 for unitAttachment attached to bomber
        Trigger AddCarrierToSea Zone 12British: British has 1 carrier placed in Sea Zone 12
        1 UK-fighter and 1 bomber moved from Malta Convoy to Sea Zone 12
        3 UK-fighters moved from Malta to Sea Zone 12

    End Turn - British
        British collect 0 PUs; end with 5 PUs
        Objective British Base Income: British met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 11 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Malta: 1 UK-aaGun
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Atlantic Ocean Convoy: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Sea Zone 12: 1 UK-fighter and 1 bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Sea Zone 3: 1 UK-submarine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Atlantic Ocean Convoy: 1 UK-scoutcar and 1 bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Atlantic Ocean Convoy: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Indian Ocean Convoy: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

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