L26 Classic The_Good_Captain (Axis+9) vs. VictoryFirst (Allies)

[VictoryFirst]

Shouldn’t my submarines in the Pacific retreat to another sea zone?

[The_Good_Captain]

@VictoryFirst i just rechecked the rule to support the order of operations in TripleA and…

…you’re right. The order of operations is wrong in TripleA and I guess I forgot that TripleA has an error? It says attacker can retreat before subs withdraw. My opponent and I in our current league game have both used the attacker retreat before the sub withdrawal and I just carried it over into this game.

The rulebook clearly states sub withdrawal occurs before attacker retreat though (page 19).

Where do you want to move your subs? I may change NCM moves based on where your subs are now.

[VictoryFirst]

Thanks! Yes I think it is indeed an error from TripleA. The question asking if the submarines remain or retreat should come before the option for the attacker to remain/retreat. Otherwise you can deny the submarines to retreat by withdrawing the attacking units first.

I would move the US sub to Hawaii Sea Zone and the Russian sub to Midway Sea Zone. If you would like to make changes to your combat moves or purchases as well, that’s no problem for me. Just let me know.

[The_Good_Captain]

@VictoryFirst right. i would not have executed those attacks in that way. i assumed i had the order wrong and that TripleA was right. bleh.

Let’s continue.

j4 (45).tsvg

[The_Good_Captain]

@VictoryFirst actually, can you put the fighters on wake? thanks!

[VictoryFirst]

So like this?

[VictoryFirst]

Or do you mean the fighters from French Indo China?

[VictoryFirst]

*one from Manchuria and one from FIC

[VictoryFirst]

[The_Good_Captain]

@VictoryFirst

J4 final answer.tsvg

[VictoryFirst]

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 aaGun and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 submarine moved from Hawaii Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Japan Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 1 submarine
            Japanese defend with 3 transports
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in Japan Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in Japan Sea Zone
                Japanese roll dice for 2 transports in Japan Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in Japan Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
            Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Russia
        1 bomber moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Novosibirsk
        1 aaGun and 6 infantry moved from Finland Norway to Karelia S.S.R.
        4 transports moved from North Sea Zone to East Canada Sea Zone
        8 infantry moved from West Canada to East Canada Sea Zone
        8 infantry and 4 transports moved from East Canada Sea Zone to North Sea Zone
        8 infantry moved from North Sea Zone to Finland Norway
        1 fighter moved from West Canada to Karelia S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from West US to West Canada
        8 infantry moved from West US to West Canada
        1 infantry moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Russia

    Place Units - Americans
        1 aaGun placed in East US
        8 infantry placed in West US

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 31 PUs; end with 33 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0,67
Japanese regular : 0,67

Savegame

[VictoryFirst]

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Yakut S.S.R.
        2 fighters moved from Novosibirsk to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 submarine moved from Midway Sea Zone to Japan Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Finland Norway to North Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from North Sea Zone to West Africa Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from West Africa Sea Zone to French West Africa
              British take French West Africa from Germans

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Yakut S.S.R.
            Russians attack with 3 fighters and 1 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yakut S.S.R.
            Russians win, taking Yakut S.S.R. from Japanese with 3 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Japan Sea Zone
            Russians attack with 1 submarine
            Japanese defend with 2 transports
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Japan Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in Japan Sea Zone
                Japanese roll dice for 1 transport in Japan Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Japan Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in Japan Sea Zone
            Russians win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 transports

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        3 fighters moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Novosibirsk
        1 infantry moved from Kazakh S.S.R. to Novosibirsk
        5 infantry moved from Russia to Novosibirsk
        9 infantry moved from Russia to Karelia S.S.R.

    Place Units - Russians
        5 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 24 PUs; end with 25 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : -0,50
Russians regular : 1,67

Savegame

[The_Good_Captain]

@VictoryFirst

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 13 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Caucasus
        2 fighters moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Caucasus
        1 bomber moved from West Europe to Karelia S.S.R.
        2 fighters moved from West Europe to West Africa Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans
        Strategic bombing raid in Karelia S.S.R.
                Americans roll AA dice in Karelia S.S.R. : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
            1 bomber owned by the Germans killed by AA in Karelia S.S.R.
            Bombing raid costs 0 PUs
        Battle in Caucasus
            Germans attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Caucasus
            Germans win, taking Caucasus from Russians with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in West Africa Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 2 fighters
            Russians defend with 1 transport
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters in West Africa Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 transport in West Africa Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Russians lost in West Africa Sea Zone
            Germans win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Russians: 1 transport

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        2 fighters moved from West Africa Sea Zone to West Europe
        2 fighters moved from Caucasus to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to East Europe
        2 armour moved from Germany to Ukraine S.S.R.
        3 armour moved from Germany to East Europe
        8 infantry moved from East Europe to Ukraine S.S.R.
        10 infantry moved from Germany to East Europe
        1 aaGun moved from South Europe to East Europe

    Place Units - Germans
        13 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans AA : 0.83
Russians regular : -0.50
Germans regular : 0.83

G5.tsvg Allies: +13.37

[VictoryFirst]

TripleA Turn Summary: British round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Classic League

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 aaGun and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Caucasus
        2 fighters moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Caucasus
        1 bomber moved from Novosibirsk to Caucasus
        1 infantry moved from Congo to French Equatorial Africa
              British take French Equatorial Africa from Germans
        1 infantry moved from Anglo Sudan Egypt to Libya
              British take Libya from Germans

    Combat - British
        Battle in Caucasus
            British attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Caucasus
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus
            British win with 1 bomber and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        2 fighters moved from Caucasus to Karelia S.S.R.
        1 bomber moved from Caucasus to Novosibirsk
        1 infantry moved from Russia to Novosibirsk
        1 infantry moved from Karelia S.S.R. to Russia
        6 infantry moved from Finland Norway to Karelia S.S.R.
        5 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Zone
        5 infantry moved from North Sea Zone to Finland Norway
        2 infantry moved from South Africa to Kenya-Rhodesia
        1 battleship moved from East Mediteranean Sea Zone to Mozambique Sea Zone

    Place Units - British
        6 infantry placed in United Kingdom
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry placed in South Africa

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 24 PUs; end with 25 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0,67
British regular : -0,83

Savegame

[The_Good_Captain]

@VictoryFirst

J5 I concede.tsvg

It’s difficult for me to find anything that worked at all for the axis in this game. Would you like to play another? I’m afraid I was not even aware of what your strategy is/was. Perhaps a new game with (hopefully) different results would be a better test.

Congrats! Shall we go again? Same bid placement for me if you’re down to go again.

[The_Good_Captain]

@VictoryFirst

for completeness, the dice affect after J5 was +15.33 Allies.

[The_Good_Captain]

@VictoryFirst lastly, here is my proton email for the next game.

The_Good_Captain01@proton.me

[VictoryFirst]

@The_Good_Captain

Yep… I totally understand your concession. If the dice don’t work with you then there is not a lot you can do. I actually felt sorry for you at multiple points in the game. Like when I destroyed the transports in Japan Sea Zone, in my playtest I didn’t destroy any transport, and once I did the turn for real, I suddenly destroyed everything. As if that would help you get back in the game…

Let’s play again. I also don’t like to win like this lol. I get a thread up in a minute.

Could you post the result here: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/30808/post-league-game-results-here/4273

If you don’t know what to post, it should look something like this:

2026 Classic VictoryFirst (Allies) wins against The_Good_Captain (Axis+9)