Re: Making my own WW1 game…
Hey, y’all. I was wondering how y’all made games, like this one. Please reply if you have an answer!
Re: Field Marshal Games Pieces Project Discussion thread
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However, there are some other pieces I would really rather NOT change. Like the Bismarck class battleships for Germany. The Germans really didn’t have another battleship class that could compare to the Bismarck class. The Scharnhorst and Gniesenau were good ships, but they were actually battlecruisers and not true battleships. The Graf Spee was a Deutshland (excuse my spelling) class Pocket Battleship and much smaller than the Bismarck class. It had good armament and speed but lacked the armor protection of a true battleship so if you wanted to be realistic in the game, that would eliminate the “two hit” rule for German battleships. The Bismarck class was the best that Germany had to offer in the way of battleships and that is what we should have.
The same goes for the Yamato Class battleships for Japan. They were the biggest and most powerful battleships built by Japan so that is what we should have in our fleets. I remember Imperious Leader mentioned wanting to see the Kongo class (which was actually a battlecruiser, not a battleship). The Kongo class were very much outclassed by US battleships, even the older models. Why would you want an inferior class of ship to represent your battleships for Japan? Also, the Iowa class should remain the US Battleship for the same reason, they were the best and most powerful battleships put out by the US Navy.
As far as not replicating pieces, it is the advantage to avoid this because you effectively doubled the inventory of units and can design many games or use many new house rules.
The Bismarck was a one off warship. Scharnhorst is a much better candidate because it was probably the main iconic ship during the war for Germany. Graf Spee should be the cruiser for the new pieces. battlecruiser or battleship argument is immaterial. The Hood was England’s flagship and it was a battlecruiser.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Scharnhorst
“The German navy always classified Scharnhorst and Gneisenau as Schlachtschiffe (battleships)”The Yamato is not an iconic japanese battleship. Japan was fond of having “pagota” style battleships of which Kongo or Mutsu was quintessential. Also, almost all of her battleships looked like the Kongo. ONLY TWO ships are Yamato class.
The goal is to represent the main iconic ships that served. Most of the work in terms of IJN Battleships were the Pagota style ships, so it makes more sence to make them in a game.
Also, both Yamato and Bismarck were not even available till 1941. All the choices i mention started the war.
If you just want the biggest or best ships represented then have Germany only get King Tiger tanks and ME-262 for fighters, and H class battleships ( DKM Friederich Der Grosse for example).
Then you got a bunch of ‘one-offs’, like Bismarck and Yamato.
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UH,WHAT???
The YAMATO wasnt a iconic battleship???
Somebodys been drinking this weekend. hey IL The party doesnt start till tommorrow!!! -
Iconic is the way that a typical japanese battleship would look like. Yamato mostly stayed in home waters, while Kongo class and the pagoda style BB’s were the primary workhorse for Japan.
Japan had them since like 1920’s, while they made 2 yamato class ships and they lasted 4 years. The other 16 or so looked like the Kongo and not the Yamato.
If you want a typical japanese carrier your not using the Shinano which is the OOB unit.
Rather they looked more like Zuikaku or Soryo. Thats the kind of thing im talking about…. what was the typical japanese ship used in most circumstances. Yamato and Bismarck are mostly remembered for their last missions which ended in failure and they were both mid war entries.
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ok, clarified.
but, the YAMATO and BISMARK are iconic battleships. you want to talk BISMARK. when that thing broke out into the atlantic ocean it was a pure wrecking machine. ever here the term.“SINK THE BISMARK” the ENGLISH navy were so scared of it they made an all out effort to put it out of buisness. to the shock of both sides it was crippled by a torpedeo. a foreshadowing of what was the fate of the battleship AIRPOWER. -
By the way,
dont you have house rules for a BISMARK and YAMATO? I do.
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Sorry , ive been mispelling BISMARK
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BISMARCK,
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The Bismarck had a shelf life of about a week. Then it sank. Then they made a game that takes place during 1942 which is a year after it sank.
Does not seem like a candidate for a basic German battleship to me.
The Tirpitz didn’t even really get out of port. It has no story other than target practice for British planes.
Scharnhorst and ships like it have a very colorful story full of adventures that went thru the war.
Now Graf Spee did get sunk in 1939, but its just one ship of a class of about 4 others, so it could be a decent candidate.
Anyway Germany should be done as the second set.
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@Imperious:
Anyway Germany should be done as the second set.
No, I think Norway should be done next, then we can talk about effectively doubble the inventory of units, and design many new house rules.
If you dont want to play with Norway as a power, you could use the inf as german mountain troops or skii troops.
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Yea Norway and Sweden
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Hey IL, I get what you are saying about the more “iconic” pieces. I personally disagree because I think we would want the best, most powerful and most modern class to represent our ships, but I also understand where you are coming from. Just curious, what models would you prefer for US and British battleships?
Also, I thought Jeremy said that JAPAN was coming after Italy.
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I see what IL is saying about the molds being of the more commonly used ships at that time. I was just stating it is rediculous to make a statement like the BISMACK and YAMATO are not iconic warships.
NORWAY or SWEDEN next? Not a bad idea. I would buy them, but i dont know how many poeple would.
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NORWAY or SWEDEN next? Not a bad idea. I would buy them, but i dont know how many poeple would.
What color would they be?Sweden would fit yellow, since it is both in their flag, and their morale.
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Sweden would fit yellow, since it is both in their flag, and their morale.
OOOooooh! Slam! Someone’s not a fan of Sweden. Do you feel that way about all neutrals?
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OOOooooh! Slam! Someone’s not a fan of Sweden. Do you feel that way about all neutrals?
knp7765 meet Razor, Razor meet knp7765
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OOOooooh! Slam! Someone’s not a fan of Sweden. Do you feel that way about all neutrals?
knp7765 meet Razor, Razor meet knp7765
I think knp7765 just met Adlertag and Bizarro Tag as well
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he is.
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@Imperious:
he is.
I thought so. Both
appear tohate SwedenWhat does yellow morale signify?
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