OOB Oysteilo +40 v Gamerman01 with tech - UHD map

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 22

TripleA Turn Summary for game: UHD World War II Global

Game History

Round: 22

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 12 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 techTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ulaanbaatar to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 infantry moved from Central Mongolia to Chahar
        1 fighter moved from Manchuria to Chahar
        1 fighter moved from Manchuria to Chahar
        1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
        1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
        3 fighters, 4 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Yunnan
        1 fighter moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan
        1 bomber moved from Japan to Yunnan
        2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 2 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 2 Sea Zone to Alaska
        1 infantry moved from Uruguay to Brazil
        1 infantry moved from Chile to Argentina
              Japanese take Argentina from Americans

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Alaska
        Battle in Brazil
            Japanese attack with 1 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Brazil, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Brazil, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Brazil, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Brazil, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Brazil, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Brazil, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Brazil, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Brazil, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Americans lost in Brazil
            Japanese win, taking Alaska from Americans, taking Brazil from Americans with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Americans: 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Yakut S.S.R.
            Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Russians defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 3/6 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yakut S.S.R.
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians lost in Yakut S.S.R.
            Japanese win, taking Yakut S.S.R. from Russians with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Jehol
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Chinese defend with 1 artillery
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 0/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery in Jehol, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Jehol, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery in Jehol, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Jehol
                1 artillery owned by the Chinese lost in Jehol
            Japanese win, taking Jehol from Chinese with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 artillery
        Battle in Chahar
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry
            Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Chahar
            Japanese win, taking Chahar from Chinese with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Yunnan
            Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 5 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 aaGun, 3 armour, 2 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys
                British roll AA dice in Yunnan : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 5 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 : 5/14 hits, 4.67 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 aaGun, 3 armour, 2 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys in Yunnan, round 2 : 2/8 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
                2 mech_infantrys owned by the British, 1 aaGun owned by the British and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 3 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 3 : 5/12 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 3 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
                1 mech_infantry owned by the British and 3 armour owned by the British lost in Yunnan
            Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 1 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 29
            Casualties for Japanese: 4 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 aaGun, 3 armour, 2 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing ownership of Shantung from Chinese to Japanese
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 fighter moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
        1 bomber moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
        2 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
        EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Shantung
        3 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
        1 aaGun moved from Manchuria to Jehol
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Ulaanbaatar to Buyant-Uhaa
        1 infantry moved from Central Mongolia to Buyant-Uhaa
        2 fighters moved from Chahar to Buyant-Uhaa
        1 mech_infantry moved from Korea to Buyant-Uhaa
        2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 3 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        1 infantry moved from Chile to Peru
              Japanese take Peru from Neutral_True
        1 artillery moved from Chile to Argentina
        3 carriers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        5 submarines moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
        1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to Philippines
        1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
        1 fighter moved from Jehol to Kiangsu
        2 battleships and 6 destroyers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 bomber and 1 fighter placed in Japan
        1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone
        3 infantry placed in Manchuria
        3 infantry placed in Kiangsu
        3 infantry placed in Kwangtung
        3 infantry placed in French Indo China

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 66 PUs; end with 67 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Kiangsu: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Japan: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 35 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 36 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -1.00
Americans regular : -1.33
Japanese regular : 1.17
British AA : -0.50
Russians regular : 0.67

Savegame

[oysteilo]

i think you used the wrong file. I edited russians to yunnan to avoid this death trap

[gamerman01]

Ah, yes I never saw the bombing raids comment

[gamerman01]

OK I’ll redo it

[gamerman01]

I am sorry, thanks for your patience,
This game is incredible, and a real challenge but I don’t mean to be dragging my feet. I like my adjusted move better, I did work a lot of it out and took notes, but will need a block of time and energy to execute.

I hope it’s not disappointing or irritating, my friend

[oysteilo]

Take your time. I am just interested to know how you propose handling yunnan as i dont think you can attack it with the revised map and it might have consequencrs elsewhere. I have some ideas, but am curious what you think

[gamerman01]

I really appreciate your understanding, and also comments about Yunnan and your inviting comments. Fantastic.

At first I thought, well, I’ll still attack Yunnan but of course with everything. But 3 of your casualties are AA and 2 inf.
Also, I could only go 1 round because in round 2 I would lose too much.
I think you will like the - quite different - turn I’ve come up with, I just need to finalize it.

[oysteilo]

If you start over again i would like you to post the combat move file, before you roll any dice. Surely, if you attack yunnan with everything it has consrquences elsewhere. I would also like to know how already rolled dice is handled

[gamerman01]

I’m not sure what you mean, so I’ll try to clarify.

My move was made with a big Russian stack in Burma instead of Yunnan. You told me I didn’t have the latest map. I said I’d have to re-do the turn then.

I might have confused the issue when I joined you in talking about the move, by saying that at first I thought about attacking Yunnan anyway, but this time with the rest of the units on FIC. But like I said I didn’t like that attack, and why. That was just hypothetical talk.

Since I had to re-do my turn, all the dice rolled the first time didn’t matter. I lose my win in Brazil, you lose your hits in Russia and China, etc. I lose my win in Yunnan. All of that was in a “fantasy world” because I had the wrong map.

I don’t know how we would handle it any other way, so I’m curious what you are thinking. You made a massive change to the board after I downloaded the map. For some reason I never saw your edit. Everyone allows it almost all the time, but technically when we post the move, it’s final unless you ask if it’s OK to edit. It’s common practice to do what you did, and I’ve done it many times, so it’s generally accepted as OK and I accepted yours as OK.

I have to re-do my turn because I missed your subsequent edit, and that was quite disappointing. If you’re saying some of the dice should stand, or that you’re not sure what should be done, just let me know what you have in mind. I’d love to keep my win in Brazil. But when I faced a drastically different situation in Yunnan I had to re-do my turn, and to me it was obvious that my first play on the unedited map was void.

Again, I’m not sore, just tell me what you aren’t sure about because it sounds like you’re unsure. But I think my telling you that I’m looking at it all as a clean slate and the move I made before is just totally void like it never happened, that maybe that clears it up for you?

[oysteilo]

I think we have the same understanding here. I also think the turn should start over again with the revised map, just like you say. I did not fully understand if you intended to cancel all or just some dice. That is why I asked for the combat move file. I think cancelling all dice and start over again is the best solution. But I am willing to listen to other options too. There isnt more to it than that. The russians to Burma was just a misclick, they dropper there instead of yunnan and I didnt realize it at once, hence the edit.

[gamerman01]

Perfect, I was hoping for smooth and understood, and clearly that’s what we have here!

We’ll see if I attack Brazil again. Do not have a good feeling about it this time ;)

Sorry for any mixed messages