@Eric-Poppleton well I tried it by myself some and it sorta worked. My goal was to get my buddies into the game and try it with them but we’re still in the learning phase-figured it’s only a valid test if they have developed strategies in the normal game
Advice to Renegade! What is on your top 10 for adjustments to G40 3rd edition?
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@crockett36 said in Advice to Renegade! What is on your top 10 for adjustments to G40 3rd edition?:
@The-Captain I have always assumed that we–axisandallies.org–had Renegade lurkers. That’s how I came up with the idea for the thread. Here’s to hoping they have seen it or will, when it comes time for a 4th edition (assuming tournament 42 is 3rd edition) consult this thread.
…we certainly do have Renegade lurkers, or at least people who lived here long before they began working with Renegade on A&A development projects (I’m not talking about myself).
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new map cartography, oil centers, real neutral armies/navies ( not just infantry,) D12, NO National Objectives, Real Tech Chart, start 1939, not 1940, USSR then All axis and rest of allies move sequence, remove NCM, add Rail Movement, Atomic Weapons, etc
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@Imperious-Leader said in Advice to Renegade! What is on your top 10 for adjustments to G40 3rd edition?:
start 1939, not 1940,
I think France is such a non-entity in the game, that even the 1940 start is too early. I think the only way something like that works is if you have a game that ends around the time the USSR would be invaded… which might work for a Europe game, but not a Global game.
People forget that Xeno Games’ World At War (in a lot of ways) was the answer to the question of “What if we did A&A but in 1939 and with France as a major power?” I think G40 actually took a lot of the lessons from that, while still throwing a bone to France, despite itself.
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@The-Janus have you tried the France goes first mod in tripleA?
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@crockett36
How much of the German air force can France take out on F1?If the answer is “zero” then I’m not interested.
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@The-Janus They could take out the Italian bomber.
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@ampdrive
Having played a bit vs. @Aardwolf44 the problem with the game is that the Germans have enough air force to take out the entire British navy and swing into Africa to make the Italian defense impenetrable… and absolute dumpster the USSR; VCs fall way too quick for the allies to be able to do anything -
@The-Janus In 1940 France is a road apple, while Germany Destroys the British Navy on G1, Perhaps it might prove better for Germany to commit all her might against Poland and France and have to tangle with UK fleet for the rest of the war and actually invest in a proper navy rather than this thing where UK navy gone and France, Norway, Poland are nothing but Boogers so they dont need to be represented?? 1940 was never the start of the war. If anything start in 1939 or June 1941 or Dec 1941. All these games follow the same mantra: wipe out UK Navy, then hold off UK while fighting USSR. Is nothing more possible?
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@The-Janus said in Advice to Renegade! What is on your top 10 for adjustments to G40 3rd edition?:
@crockett36
How much of the German air force can France take out on F1?If the answer is “zero” then I’m not interested.
I killed a plane. Attacked Holland! Mission accomplished.
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@crockett36 should have attacked 96.
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@crockett36 blocked the battleship! added to the defense of the channel significantly. One can easily scramble. Stiffened 111. Took out 96. And killed a German plane.
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You could send a fighter to Scotland for a two plane scramble
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Hi crockett, concerning the attack in sz 96 and the Scotland Fighter unit - is this part of your advice to Renegade ?
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@The-Captain Sorry, no. I was responding to janus who was skeptical that a France goes first start would significantly change things. I was able to wipe out Holland.
The Advice to Renegade that would come out of this would be an adjustable start date might be a useful handicapping mechanic. I call it crockett36’s time machine. You are playing someone who is not as good as you, let France go first. This would be April 1940. You still win, let Anzac and then France go first. March 1940. Then it would skip down to UK going first, followed by Italy. January 1940. Etc. Fixing and flavoring Axis & Allies 1940.
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@crockett36 April 1940 Germans are invading Norway,losiing destroyersand getting their best battleships damaged(Gnieseau&scharnhorst)Granted they do sink UK carrier glorious.
Also Italy is not in the war.Perhaps to be more historical,German cruiser should start in sz113 and a damaged battleship start in sz114. -
Ahh, I see…
In order to make this work, you should play test it.
I suggest that you create a Minor Rulebook that includes all your ideas - and I also suggest that you play test your suggestions.
Your play test results will prove if your ideas truly works… and if they need any adjustments.
This will also make it more manageable for any Renegade employee that might want to follow up on your ideas.
It would be awesome to see your ideas come to life at Renegade.
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@ampdrive oztea does that in his 41 setup. I’m trying to balance g40 in this mod. Of course turn order would assume all of that has already taken place
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@crockett36 I really do respect Captains position that extensive playtesting is needed before widespread adoption of new ideas.I often like the concept of throwing ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks.Here are a few things about OOB set up that bug me.
1 France falls too easily.Germany should have to use luftwaffe to be certain of taking paris G1
2 Japan is too strong.21 starting aircraft is overwhelming.UK battleship starting in sz 37 is suppoed to represent the 2 ships Japan sunk there dec41,but of course,we are supposed to be starting 1940.J1 attack is too powerful OOB.
3 Like I mentioned,after invasion of norway Germanys battleships were damaged.No operational Bismark and Tirpitz until 41.
4 Agree that red amy was determined,tough and tenasious defending russia.However,as demonstated against Finland earlier in the war,they were horrible when attacking outside their borders.I say this because I don’t think the red army could easily take over eastern europe had an invasion of UK succeeded.
5 Like in other versions of A&A,I think it should be easier(less szs across the arctic or NB in scotland)to transport units to northern russia.
Well thats enough for now.
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