@bakerbei said in Oztea's 1939 Global Setup:
@Blackychan So then does it not behoove the Pacific Allies to take the islands so that way the Japanese can’t claim the islands without declaring war on the Allies?
Unless I’m misunderstanding the rules, the way this set up is that where the Japanese could take the money islands without allowing the US into the war earlier?
The way I’m reading it, JPN can attack the Dutch and it just changes the Dutch to Pro Allied. Doesn’t create any DOW with anyone else.
JPN still needs Borneo to get the bonus though.
Idk I will read through the whole thread again and see if he says anything about it.
I’m guessing he just assumes G is gonna attack HOL by turn 2 or 3 Idk
@barnee the game I’m currently playing Japan couldn’t DOW just against the Dutch. The DOW option was for Britain, Anzac and Dutch. And when they declare against the Dutch it allows the US to declare against all axis.
@captainwalker
yea i just tested that as well. It does allow JPN to DOW on Dutch but then USA can DOW on JPN.
I’ll test it again
Edit
Yea so JPN DOW on Dutch only
Still Neutral with UK and everyone except China who they already at War with.
I’m not sure if that’s correct about the USA being able to DOW on JPN after a Dutch attack though. I couldn’t find anything in OOB rules saying they could but I’ve always assumed they can.
Oz not around anymore but @crockett36 knows how to contact him. Maybe he can clarify the above for you
@barnee it says in the game notes that the US can declare against any axis power if Japan attacks the Dutch
OK well it seems as if it’s all working correctly then.
Idk about the Allies DOW on the Dutch though. I can’t find it in the rules anywhere
@barnee Yeah since it’s not in the 1940 rules, the way I’m piecing it together is that since the Dutch are an independent faction, it becomes a sprint for who gets control of the islands the earliest.
Looking solely at the Pacific, let’s say the Japanese take Celebes, then Java and the other one that is escaping me flip to Pro-Allied. That doesn’t constitute a DOW on the Allies, correct?
So then, the Allies can grab the other islands, but Celebes is off limits unless the Pacific Allies declare war on Japan. Am I interpreting/applying the rules correctly?
Hi baker
from the OOB rulebook it seems that unless UK or ANZAC DOW on JPN, it will bring the USA into the war. Also JPN can’t attack the Dutch unless at war with UK/ANZAC
@barnee But doesnt the fact that it is now an independent faction negate those rules? Anzac and the UK wouldn’t care at that point and more or treated like Mongolia in the fact of a strict nuetral?
Hi
Yea I don’t see anywhere where it says that. At the start of the thread it says OOB rules with the below exceptions.
For the Dutch they start independent but when attacked turn pro allied.
I mean US starts independent and neutral too and there’s no mention of UK attacking them. My impression is if the Allies could DOW on the Dutch he would have mentioned it.
That’s how I’m interpeting it anyway.
It’d be nice to get a clarification on it. I think he’s on facebook if you want to try and track him down. I’ve asked crockett a couple times but haven’t heard back.
@barnee I don’t see why the allies couldn’t the only restriction would be like they couldn’t attack a strict neutral until they are at war.
@barnee I get the OOB rules, and I think it might just be my interpretation of the change that the Belgians are now an independent, neutral power that is leading me to what I mentioned previously. Some clarification would be nice, but I don’t have the first idea on how to track Oztea down :(
I agree with this interpretation. That Oztea makes a point of writing that an Axis attack makes them pro-Allied instead of saying that an attack by one side turns it into pro-the other side (like strict neturals) is further evidence of that.
