I will spend a supply and fight in this battle.
You have spent one supply from Mersa Brega to move into Benghazi, right? So there should be two supply there at this point?
Kwas V. TGC (Europe IC VC)
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Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Malta: 2 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Germans buy nothing; Remaining resources: 49 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 submarine moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Mid-Atlantic Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Halifax Sea Sea Zone to British Convoy 4 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 4 Sea Zone from British 1 submarine moved from British Convoy 4 Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 transport moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Poland to North Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Norway to North Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Germany to North Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Germany to English Channel Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Azores Sea Sea Zone to British Convoy 3 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 3 Sea Zone from British 1 submarine moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Denmark Strait Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Barents Sea Sea Zone to Soviet Convoy Sea Zone Germans take Soviet Convoy Sea Zone from Russians 1 submarine moved from Soviet Convoy Sea Zone to Barents Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from France to English Channel Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 fighter moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to English Channel Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 armour and 1 artillery moved from Poland to Baltic States 3 infantry moved from Rumania to Bessarabia 1 armour moved from Rumania to Bessarabia 3 infantry moved from Hungary to East Poland 2 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland 1 armour and 1 artillery moved from Hungary to East Poland 3 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg Combat - Germans Battle in North Sea Sea Zone Germans attack with 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 transport British defend with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans win with 3 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 28 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine and 1 transport Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 submarines British defend with 1 destroyer and 2 transports Germans win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 2 transports Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to France: 1 aaGun and 1 factory EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Trans-Jordan: 1 aaGun and 1 factory EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Battle in English Channel Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 fighters and 1 submarine British defend with 1 destroyer Germans win with 2 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Battle in Davis Strait Sea Zone Germans attack with 3 submarines British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Germans win with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Battle in Vyborg Germans attack with 3 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans win, taking Vyborg from Russians with 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport British defend with 1 destroyer Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Battle in Bessarabia Germans attack with 1 armour and 3 infantry Russians defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry Germans win, taking Bessarabia from Russians with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1 Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 armour and 1 infantry Battle in Gibraltar Battle in East Poland Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 5 infantry Russians defend with 4 infantry 1 artillery owned by the Germans, 3 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 armour owned by the Germans retreated to Poland Russians win, taking Gibraltar from British with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry Battle in Baltic States Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry Russians defend with 3 infantry 1 artillery owned by the Germans, 2 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 armour owned by the Germans retreated to Poland Russians win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Hungary 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Austria to Hungary 2 armour moved from Northern Italy to Hungary 1 infantry moved from Rumania to Hungary 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Czechoslovakia to Poland 2 armour moved from Germany to Poland 1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Yugoslavia 1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Rumania 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Greece to Yugoslavia 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy 2 armour moved from France to Germany 2 armour moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Poland 1 infantry moved from Denmark to Germany 2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland 2 fighters moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Norway 3 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany 4 infantry moved from Eastern France to Germany 2 infantry moved from France to Netherlands-Belgium 2 infantry moved from France to Netherlands-Belgium 1 artillery moved from France to Netherlands-Belgium 1 fighter moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Norway 2 fighters moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium 1 fighter moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium 1 bomber moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Germany 1 fighter moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria 1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria 4 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 2 artilleries moved from Germany to Poland Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 40 PUs; end with 89 PUs -
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1d6: 2
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Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 armour moved from Caucasus to Bessarabia 2 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland 2 infantry moved from Leningrad to Vyborg 1 armour moved from Archangel to Vyborg 1 bomber moved from Moscow to Finland 1 fighter moved from Moscow to Vyborg 1 submarine moved from White Sea Sea Zone to Barents Sea Sea Zone Combat - Russians Battle in Bessarabia Russians attack with 1 armour Germans defend with 1 armour Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Bessarabia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Bessarabia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Bessarabia 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Bessarabia Germans win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 armour Casualties for Germans: 1 armour Battle in Vyborg Russians attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 2 infantry Germans defend with 3 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 3 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 3 infantry in Vyborg, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vyborg 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 fighter in Vyborg, round 4 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Vyborg 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg Russians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2 Casualties for Russians: 1 armour and 2 infantry Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry Battle in Finland Russians attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry Germans defend with 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Finland, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Finland, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Finland, round 4 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Finland, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Finland Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Finland, round 5 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Finland, round 5 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Finland Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Finland, round 6 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Finland, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Finland, round 7 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Finland, round 7 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Finland Russians win, taking Finland from Germans with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Barents Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Battle in Barents Sea Sea Zone Russians attack with 1 submarine Non Combat Move - Russians 1 transport moved from White Sea Sea Zone to North Atlantic Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Vyborg to Leningrad 1 bomber moved from Finland to Belorussia 2 infantry moved from Archangel to Karelia 1 armour moved from Siberia to Karelia 1 armour moved from Turkestan to Belorussia 1 armour moved from Moscow to Belorussia 3 infantry moved from Turkestan to Belorussia 2 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Belorussia 1 artillery moved from Stalingrad to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Turkestan 1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Stalingrad 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia 4 infantry moved from Moscow to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Siberia to Russia 1 infantry moved from Archangel to Russia 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Russia to Belorussia 1 aaGun moved from Moscow to Belorussia 1 aaGun moved from Archangel to Karelia Place Units - Russians 8 infantry placed in Leningrad Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 21 PUs; end with 21 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - British British buy 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 13 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to France 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Libya British take Libya from Germans Combat - British Strategic bombing raid in France Germans roll AA dice in France : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Bombing raid in France rolls: 1 and costs: 1 PU. Bombing raid costs 1 PU Non Combat Move - British 1 bomber moved from France to United Kingdom 1 aaGun and 1 armour moved from Canada to United States 1 transport moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Malta to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Libya 1 artillery moved from Egypt to Libya 1 fighter moved from Malta to Syria 1 infantry moved from Iraq to Iran 1 infantry moved from Syria to Iran 1 infantry moved from Palestine to Syria 1 destroyer moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Trans-Jordan to Palestine Place Units - British 1 destroyer placed in Davis Strait Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 16 PUs; end with 29 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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subs return fire [dice 2d6]
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Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from United States to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone Combat - Americans Battle in Davis Strait Sea Zone British loiter and taunt; Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 transport Germans defend with 2 submarines Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 transport in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Americans and 1 transport owned by the Americans lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone Germans and Americans reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is -12 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Non Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Davis Strait Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Davis Strait Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Davis Strait Sea Zone: 1 destroyer and 1 transport EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Davis Strait Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Davis Strait Sea Zone: 2 submarines EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Davis Strait Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 bomber moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to United Kingdom 1 fighter moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to Iceland Place Units - Americans 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs -
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1d6: 5
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Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 29 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Rumania to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 bomber moved from Germany to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland 1 fighter moved from Germany to Finland 1 fighter moved from Norway to Finland 1 fighter moved from Norway to North Atlantic Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Norway to North Atlantic Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to British Convoy 2 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 2 Sea Zone from British 1 submarine moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 1 Sea Zone from British 1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Hungary to East Poland Germans take East Poland from Russians 1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States Germans take Baltic States from Russians Combat - Germans Battle in North Atlantic Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 fighters Russians defend with 1 transport Germans roll dice for 2 fighters in North Atlantic Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 transport in North Atlantic Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 transport owned by the Russians lost in North Atlantic Sea Zone Germans win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Russians: 1 transport Battle in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Finland Germans attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Finland Germans win, taking Finland from Russians with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport British defend with 1 transport Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 transport in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 transport in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans 1 transport owned by the British lost in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for British: 1 transport Non Combat Move - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from North Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Barents Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 infantry moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Tunisia 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy 2 fighters moved from North Atlantic Sea Zone to Norway 1 submarine moved from English Channel Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to France 2 fighters moved from Netherlands-Belgium to France 1 fighter moved from Finland to Germany 1 fighter moved from Finland to Norway 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany 3 infantry moved from Hungary to Poland 4 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Hungary 2 artilleries moved from Yugoslavia to Hungary 7 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 2 armour moved from Germany to Hungary 1 bomber moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Germany Place Units - Germans 29 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 43 PUs; end with 44 PUs 1 unit repaired.Combat Hit Differential Summary :
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Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - British British buy 1 destroyer and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 destroyer moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to British Convoy 4 Sea Zone British take British Convoy 4 Sea Zone from Germans 1 destroyer moved from British Convoy 4 Sea Zone to Halifax Sea Sea Zone Combat - British Non Combat Move - British 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Finland 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Finland 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Libya to Egypt 2 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus 1 infantry moved from Syria to Iran 1 aaGun moved from Palestine to Egypt 1 fighter moved from Syria to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 aaGun and 1 armour moved from United States to Canada Place Units - British 1 destroyer and 2 transports placed in Davis Strait Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 15 PUs; end with 16 PUs -
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Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to British Convoy 2 Sea Zone 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 2 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Battle in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine Germans defend with 1 submarine Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in British Convoy 2 Sea Zone Americans win, taking British Convoy 2 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Non Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to British Convoy 2 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 bomber moved from British Convoy 2 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 1 fighter moved from United States to United Kingdom 1 fighter moved from Iceland to Finland 1 destroyer moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 1 artillery and 4 infantry placed in United States 3 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -0.50 Germans regular : 0.67
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