LeeMorrison (+6) v Gamerman01 (Allies) Classic Tourn Loser bracket round 3

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 12

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic

Game History

Round: 12

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 2 aaGuns, 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        2 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Sinkiang
        1 bomber moved from Wake Island to Sinkiang
        1 fighter moved from Novosibirsk to Sinkiang
        2 infantry moved from Russia to Caucasus
        1 armour moved from Novosibirsk to Caucasus
        4 infantry moved from Solomon Islands to Solomon Islands Sea Zone
        4 infantry and 2 transports moved from Solomon Islands Sea Zone to Philippines Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from Solomon Islands Sea Zone to Philippines Sea Zone
        4 fighters moved from Solomon Islands Sea Zone to Philippines

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Philippines
            Americans attack with 4 fighters
            Japanese defend with 2 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 4 fighters in Philippines, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Philippines, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Philippines
            Americans win with 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
        Battle in Sinkiang
            Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 2 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Sinkiang, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Sinkiang, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Sinkiang
                2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Sinkiang
            Americans win, taking Sinkiang from Japanese with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
        Battle in Caucasus
            Americans attack with 1 armour and 2 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 1 armour and 2 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus
            Americans win, taking Caucasus from Germans with 1 armour and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        4 fighters moved from Philippines to Philippines Sea Zone
        2 carriers and 1 submarine moved from Solomon Islands Sea Zone to Philippines Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from West US to Russia
        1 bomber moved from Sinkiang to Novosibirsk
        4 infantry moved from East US to East US Sea Zone
        2 transports moved from North Sea Zone to Karelia Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from West US to West Canada
        4 infantry and 2 transports moved from East US Sea Zone to North Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Finland Norway to Karelia S.S.R.
        4 infantry moved from North Sea Zone to Finland Norway
        2 infantry moved from Russia to Novosibirsk
        1 fighter moved from Sinkiang to Karelia S.S.R.
        2 fighters moved from Wake Island to Australia
        2 infantry moved from Kenya-Rhodesia to Congo

    Place Units - Americans
        1 transport placed in West US Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 bomber and 1 infantry placed in West US
        1 aaGun placed in East US
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing ownership of Philippines from Japanese to Americans
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Philippines: 4 infantry
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Philippines Sea Zone: 4 infantry and 2 transports
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Philippines Sea Zone: 2 transports
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 41 PUs; end with 43 PUs
        COMMENT: No AA guns in the box

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 1.67
Japanese regular : -0.33
Germans regular : -0.33

Savegame

[gamerman01]

Of course I meant to unload the men onto the Philippines but failed to do it properly with the mouse and Triple A, so edited.

I bought the last AA guns.

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 13

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Classic

Game History

Round: 13

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        2 infantry moved from Kazakh S.S.R. to Persia
        1 fighter moved from Novosibirsk to Persia
        2 fighters and 3 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Yakut S.S.R.

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Persia
            Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Persia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Persia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Persia
            Russians win, taking Persia from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Yakut S.S.R.
            Russians attack with 2 fighters and 3 infantry
            Japanese defend with 2 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 0/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 3 : 1/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yakut S.S.R.
                Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 4 : 3/5 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yakut S.S.R.
            Russians win, taking Yakut S.S.R. from Japanese with 2 fighters and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        COMMENT: USA has more than 3 bombers, must stay in 3 groups
        1 aaGun moved from Novosibirsk to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 transport moved from North Sea Zone to Karelia Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Persia to Karelia S.S.R.
        2 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Kazakh S.S.R.
        1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Kazakh S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Novosibirsk
        1 fighter moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Novosibirsk
        1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Kazakh S.S.R.
        1 submarine moved from Solomon Islands Sea Zone to Philippines Sea Zone

    Place Units - Russians
        6 infantry placed in Karelia S.S.R.
        2 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : -2.00
Russians regular : -0.33

Savegame

[leemorrison]

@gamerman01 re last AA guns

There are NO last anything in Classic 2nd Edition

[leemorrison]

@leemorrison Also, I surrender, you have too much supply advantage
Nicely done, glade to meet you

[gamerman01]

I’m glad you said something right away.
I’m looking in the rulebook again, I was sure @The_Good_Captain showed me exactly where it said that, some months ago

[gamerman01]

@leemorrison That was the most enjoyable and challenging Classic game in my life, not that I’ve played many against good players.

Thank you for your sportsmanship and your excellent play.

[gamerman01]

The stacks rule is clearly stated in the middle of page 7 of the rulebook. You can only have 2 aircraft carrier stacks, for example.

I’m not seeing the detailed rule about the Factories and AA guns after a quick look.

@The_Good_Captain can you point us to the clear rule about limited Factories and AA guns if there is one, and expound a little on how the groups must stay together?

Like if you had 3 aircraft carriers in 2 groups, could you move them in 3 different routes during the combat movement phase (say, to establish a retreat route) if you end up in 2 different locations (since you have only 2 plastic carriers)?

[The_Good_Captain]

@leemorrison said in LeeMorrison (+6) v Gamerman01 (Allies) Classic Tourn Loser bracket round 3:

@gamerman01 re last AA guns

There are NO last anything in Classic 2nd Edition

This is not correct although it absolutely was/is the most missed rule in the game.

Page 7 in the manual under “Plastic Chips”.

Also the official errata, last question on the first page: https://axisallies.com/rules/axis-allies-rules-classic-2nd-edition-faqs.pdf

In my experience, AA guns (there are only three available for purchase at the start of the game) and IC (only four available) are the most affected by this rule.

[The_Good_Captain]

@gamerman01 said in LeeMorrison (+6) v Gamerman01 (Allies) Classic Tourn Loser bracket round 3:

The stacks rule is clearly stated in the middle of page 7 of the rulebook. You can only have 2 aircraft carrier stacks, for example.

I’m not seeing the detailed rule about the Factories and AA guns after a quick look.

@The_Good_Captain can you point us to the clear rule about limited Factories and AA guns if there is one, and expound a little on how the groups must stay together?

Like if you had 3 aircraft carriers in 2 groups, could you move them in 3 different routes during the combat movement phase (say, to establish a retreat route) if you end up in 2 different locations (since you have only 2 plastic carriers)?

The example in the FAQ posted above helps clarify.

The definition of a “unit” on page 7 covers AA guns and industrial complexes. There is no exception posted anywhere for those units. They are limited in the same way.

[gamerman01]

Thanks for confirming, I’m just a new learner of the rule. And it really changes the game a lot, maybe @leemorrison will decide he likes the actual official rule, like I did. Bring on the quirkiness.

Can you address my question about how exactly this works during movement? Do you just have to end a phase with the limit?

My example, you have 2 stacks of aircraft carriers, say one in the Atlantic and the other in the Pacific, where it’s chipped because you have 2 aircraft carriers in the Pacific.

During combat movement, is it allowable to send those 2 carriers along 2 different routes but end up in the same battle?

[gamerman01]

Got it, I didn’t see that I also had a FAQ, was thinking I only had the CLASSIFIED clarification

Now I see my specific question is answered, the carriers could not even split up during a combat move that ends in the same place