PtV L25 Simon33 (Allies) vs Nikola1975 (Axis +13) game 2

[nikola1975]

@simon33 Hm, yes, difficult one. It was bit stupid to forget about that lurking Soviet navy still there.

Scramble all three, yes, let’s see what happens.

[simon33]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Russians round 9

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 9

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Korea
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Norway to 116 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Rostov

    Combat - Russians
        Germans scrambles 3 units out of Western Germany to defend against the attack in 116 Sea Zone
        Battle in 116 Sea Zone
            Russians attack with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 2 submarines, 3 tactical_bombers and 5 transports
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 116 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Germans
                Russians roll dice for 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 116 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 116 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 3 tactical_bombers and 5 transports in 116 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Russians and 1 destroyer owned by the Russians lost in 116 Sea Zone
                Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 116 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the Russians lost in 116 Sea Zone
                Russians roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 116 Sea Zone, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.67
Russians regular : -1.50

Savegame

[simon33]

Assumed that the subs will still fight in the second round and that the Germans will tip the CV in the first one.

OOL now?

[nikola1975]

@simon33 I can’t open the savegame, I am getting an error. But I guess you can take the maximum damage approach.

[simon33]

Does that help?

[simon33]

Your subs hit and sunk my Cruiser.

[simon33]

Max D = sink CV, DD and a tac.

[nikola1975]

@simon33

Is the carrier damaged? If not, then sink the carrier and dd.

[simon33]

No, the sub hit and damaged the CV. Unless you want to take that hit on the subs.

[nikola1975]

@simon33

Yes, you are right. Not knowing how the first round of Russian planes will hit (miss everything), I would have left the subs then.

So, do as you suggested.

[simon33]

@nikola1975 said in PtV L25 Simon33 (Allies) vs Nikola1975 (Axis +13) game 2:

@simon33

Yes, you are right. Not knowing how the first round of Russian planes will hit (miss everything), I would have left the subs then.

So, do as you suggested.

Technically, you are allowed to know how that planes rolled before assigning casualties since you had a DD.

[nikola1975]

@simon33 Hm. Ok. It’s a bit difficult to understand without seeing what is happening.

In that case, sink the sub in round 1, then in round 2, sink CV and one dd.

[simon33]

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 9

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Korea
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Norway to 116 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Rostov

    Combat - Russians
        Germans scrambles 3 units out of Western Germany to defend against the attack in 116 Sea Zone
        Battle in 116 Sea Zone
            Russians attack with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 2 submarines, 3 tactical_bombers and 5 transports
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 116 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Germans
                Russians roll dice for 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 116 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 116 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 3 tactical_bombers and 5 transports in 116 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Russians and 1 destroyer owned by the Russians lost in 116 Sea Zone
                Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 116 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the Russians lost in 116 Sea Zone
                Russians roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 116 Sea Zone, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 3 tactical_bombers and 5 transports in 116 Sea Zone, round 3 : 4/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                1 tactical_bomber owned by the Russians and 3 fighters owned by the Russians lost in 116 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer owned by the Germans, 1 carrier owned by the Germans and 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans lost in 116 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 fighter, 2 submarines, 2 tactical_bombers and 5 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is -31
            Casualties for Russians: 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Casualties for Germans: 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 tactical_bomber
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 116 Sea Zone: 1 carrier
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 116 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Changing unit hit damage for these Germans owned units to: carrier = 1
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Battle in Rostov
            Russians attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Rostov
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rostov
            Russians win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Korea
            Russians attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Korea, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Korea, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Korea
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Korea
            Russians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Moving scrambled unit from 116 Sea Zone  back to originating territory: Western Germany
        Moving scrambled unit from 116 Sea Zone  back to originating territory: Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans forced to land in Western Germany

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Finland to Norway
        1 aaGun, 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 marine moved from Finland to Vyborg
        2 fighters moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        1 mech_infantry moved from Timguska to Yakut S.S.R.
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Evenkiyskiy to Yakut S.S.R.
        3 aaGuns, 2 armour, 5 artilleries, 2 fighters, 43 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Stalingrad to Northern Caucasus
        1 fighter moved from Korea to Northern Manchuria

    Turn Complete - Russians

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0.67
Germans regular : 2.67
Russians regular : -0.33

Savegame

[nikola1975]

@simon33 OOL?

Do you want me to send round by round?

[simon33]

You can just go Max D.

I think I’ve made a boo boo there.

[nikola1975]

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 5 artilleries, 2 fighters, 11 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 submarine moved from 65 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 64 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 132 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to 50 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 20 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol
              Japanese take Jehol from Chinese
        1 armour moved from Jehol to Southern Manchuria
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Manchuria to Kiangsu
        1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
        1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Hunan
              Japanese take Hunan from Chinese
        1 armour moved from Eastern India to Western India
              Japanese take Western India from UK_Pacific
        1 armour moved from Western India to Eastern India
        1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Shantung
        2 battleships moved from 55 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
        8 submarines moved from 55 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
        5 destroyers moved from 55 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
        5 carriers moved from 55 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 55 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Shantung
        Battle in Kiangsu
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kiangsu, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Kiangsu, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kiangsu
                Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kiangsu, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kiangsu, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kiangsu
            Japanese win, taking Shantung from Chinese, taking Kiangsu from Chinese with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
        Battle in 50 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 2 battleships, 5 carriers, 5 destroyers, 3 fighters, 11 submarines and 5 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 battleship, 5 carriers, 2 destroyers, 7 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports; ANZAC defend with 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
                Japanese roll dice for 11 submarines in 50 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/11 hits, 3.67 expected hits
            Units damaged: 3 carriers owned by the Americans
                Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 5 carriers, 5 destroyers, 3 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers in 50 Sea Zone, round 2 : 10/15 hits, 7.50 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Americans
                Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 5 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 9 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports in 50 Sea Zone, round 2 : 13/19 hits, 9.17 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese
                2 carriers owned by the Japanese and 8 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 50 Sea Zone
                2 destroyers owned by the Americans and 5 carriers owned by the Americans lost in 50 Sea Zone
                Japanese roll dice for 3 submarines in 50 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 3 carriers, 5 destroyers, 3 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers in 50 Sea Zone, round 3 : 7/15 hits, 7.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 9 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 50 Sea Zone, round 3 : 5/10 hits, 6.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 transports in 50 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                2 tactical_bombers owned by the Japanese, 1 carrier owned by the Japanese, 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 2 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 50 Sea Zone
                1 cruiser owned by the ANZAC, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans and 5 fighters owned by the Americans lost in 50 Sea Zone
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 50 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 50 Sea Zone, round 4 : 5/12 hits, 6.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 4 fighters in 50 Sea Zone, round 4 : 2/4 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 transports in 50 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 tactical_bomber owned by the Japanese, 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 50 Sea Zone
                2 fighters owned by the ANZAC, 2 fighters owned by the Americans and 1 battleship owned by the Americans lost in 50 Sea Zone
                2 transports owned by the Americans lost in 50 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 2 battleships, 2 carriers, 3 destroyers, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 77
            Casualties for Japanese: 3 carriers, 2 destroyers, 11 submarines and 3 tactical_bombers
            Casualties for Americans: 1 battleship, 5 carriers, 2 destroyers, 7 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 cruiser and 2 fighters

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 50 Sea Zone to New Guinea
        1 marine moved from Malaya to 132 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Malaya to 132 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 132 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 40 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Shan State to 39 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
        1 artillery moved from Burma to Eastern India
        4 infantry moved from 40 Sea Zone to Eastern India
        1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 132 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 40 Sea Zone to Eastern India
        1 carrier moved from 132 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 132 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Kiangsu to 20 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Southern Manchuria
        1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Southern Manchuria
        1 submarine moved from 7 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Japan to French Indo China
        2 artilleries moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China
        1 infantry moved from Fukien to Kwangtung
        1 transport moved from 132 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Fukien to 21 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Japan
        1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 artillery and 2 fighters placed in Eastern India
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in French Indo China
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Malaya
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Southern Manchuria
        6 infantry placed in Japan
        1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 60 PUs; end with 60 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 63 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
        Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -1.00
Americans regular : 2.83
Japanese regular : -2.17

Savegame