USA Controls Korea with a Soviet Infantry Present and Russia Not at War with JPN

[barnee]

I know this has been discussed but I can’t remember and I can’t find it in search.

Yanks have Korea and are at War with JPN. Soviets move a Inf into Korea. Russia and JPN are not at War.

Does JPN need to DOW on SSR to attack Korea ? Or is the russian simply ignored and remains neutral if JPN wins ?

Thanks

[surfer]

At risk of being wrong,

a) You cannot attack a land territory that has neutral units. You must declare war against them before attacking.

Combat: A power can’t attack a territory controlled
by or containing units belonging to a power with
which it is not at war.

(The next sentence deals with naval battles, which are very different–and may lead to some confusion regarding land battles)

If a power at war attacks a sea
zone containing units belonging to both a power with
which it’s already at war and a power with which it’s
not at war, the latter power’s units are ignored. Those
units won’t participate in the battle in any way, and a
state of war with that power will not result

BUT, --and this is where I might be wrong – the Russians cannot move to Korea without declaring war on Japanese. Even if the US owns it. The basic political rule for Pacific is:

At the beginning of the game, Japan is at war only with China. Japan considers movement of units into or
through China by any other Allied power as an act of war against it.

Now there is ambiguity on what is considered “China”. I would defer to the WW II definition that Korea was a province of China that Japan annexed early in the war. Thus, Russia cannot move towards Korea – even to “defend” the US territory without declaring war on the Japanese.

[barnee]

@surfer

Thanks for the reply surfer. I think SSR has to DOW before it can move into Korea is what I now remember.

But I’m still not a 100% certain :)

I wish I could find the earlier discussions but … :)

[Panther]

@barnee said in USA Controls Korea with a Soviet Infantry Present and Russia Not at War with JPN:

Yanks have Korea and are at War with JPN. Soviets move a Inf into Korea. Russia and JPN are not at War.

As long as the Soviets are not allied to US, they can’t NCM a unit into US-held Korea, as this territory is not friendy to them.

@barnee said in USA Controls Korea with a Soviet Infantry Present and Russia Not at War with JPN:

I think SSR has to DOW before it can move into Korea is what I now remember.

They need to be allied to US in order to move into US-controlled Korea as a friendly territory.
Entering a status of war with Japan is indeed required.

[barnee]

@Panther said in USA Controls Korea with a Soviet Infantry Present and Russia Not at War with JPN:

As long as the Soviets are not allied to US, they can’t NCM a unit into US-held Korea, as this territory is not friendy to them

Right Arm

Thank you

:)

Edit

Oh wait
So USA and SSR are allied but SSR not at war with JPN.

Edit 2
So USA an USSR are Allied but SSR is not at war with JPN. USA takes Korea. Can SSR move into Korea and defend ?

[Krieghund]

@barnee While the Soviet Union is not at war with Japan, it must abide by the restrictions of a neutral power on the Pacific map. This means, among other things, that it may not enter territories on that map that are controlled by another power. See pages 15, 36, and 37 of the Europe Rulebook.

@surfer Korea is not part of China. See page 10 of the Pacific Rulebook.

[crockett36]

@Panther This is NOT parallel to the Germans moving into Soviet territory held by Italians?

[Krieghund]

@crockett36 No, it is not. In the case of Germany and Italy, Germany is at war with UK and France, so it is not neutral (even though it is not at war with the Soviet Union), which allows it to move into territories controlled by Italy. In contrast, in this case the Soviet Union is under the restrictions of a neutral power on the Pacific map, so it cannot move into territories controlled by any other power. The situation is similar, but different.

[crockett36]

@Krieghund something to straighten out in a future edition

[barnee]

@Krieghund said in USA Controls Korea with a Soviet Infantry Present and Russia Not at War with JPN:

See pages 15, 36, and 37 of the Europe Rulebook.

heh heh I only checked the Pacific rules :)

Thanks for the answer

[Panther]

@barnee said in USA Controls Korea with a Soviet Infantry Present and Russia Not at War with JPN:

heh heh I only checked the Pacific rules :)

You were not wrong to check the Pacific rulebook, there it is on pages 14 and 36.