if you are playing as or against someone who is using the allies to block eachother in some sort of intertangled web of ships, blocking territories from Japan moving through….then I feel you are doing exactly what larry harris and the game designers wanted to never happen
The tricky bit about adding neutrality and ships passing in the night and all that, has been left out of every axis and allies game to date. All others start with everyone at war with their opponents from the get go
the 1940 games will be a new breed, but the danger now lies in that, if the political rules are not iron clad, some one, some how, is going to find some way to rules lawer through them.
In the broader sense of A&A these political rules play such a minor part in the game (only importiant within the first 1-3 turns) that they are almost extra baggage. The game could start like classic pacific, and Japan HAS to attack turn 1 if it wants to win.
Whats going to happen is, kreig is going to apply the rules to make the following happen:
“japan can not gain an unfair advantage by declaring war on some allies and not others”
If that means editing the eratta, fine. But finding some kind of “fools mate” is not in the spirit of axis and allies.
Accuse me of being a rules lawyer if you wish. I play to win, and have fun while I’m at it. But to win, the rules must absolutely be clear on what can and cannot be done. This is no different in a tournament. And the rules ruling needs to come from someone that is official and recorded as such.
Remember sub stalling from Europe and Pacific? I do. The designer of the games who even wrote the rules (Mike was it?) said no to sub stalling, but Avalon hiLL ignored it, and eventually acknoledged that it was indeed legal.
We need more rules lawyers to flush these things out.
I completely agree. You can’t become a master at this game, or any strategy game unless you consider every possible option at your disposal. This means that you must know where your limits are. There can be no gray area, or anything about "that’s not what the game designers intended’. It must be clear cut, black and white, and official.
Okay here’s the thing. I totally understand wanting an OFFICIAL answer, but if you ask the question on a forum where there are more people than just you on, you can’t get mad when people discuss their inerpritation. You’ve also gotta realize Krieg has stuff to do besides living in a forum so it might take awhile. If nothing you should be happy that it sparked discussion because if nobody said anything and we “just waited for krieg” like you said multiple times it might’ve got buried under other stuff. I’m not trying to be a jerk but like I said this IS a forum. The official answer will come eventually.
I refuse to believe Krieg does anything except live on these forums…
You’ve also gotta realize Krieg has stuff to do besides living in a forum so it might take awhile
At what point did I get upset that Krieg hasn’t answered a question I asked only a couple days ago? I haven’t said a single thing negative about him, and only wait his answer. I don’t care if it takes a while, because as you said, he has a life, as do I.
I didn’t mean you were upset with krieg but you seemed to be upset with others because they told how they interpretted.
Here is a link to Larry Harris Game Design website where a person posted asking the exact same questions as the original poster of this forum post and took a shot at answering his own questions. Krieghund replied by saying the poster was correct in assuming that at the moment Japan declares war on any of the Allied players, all units on the board are instantly hostile and don’t wait until each subsequent factions turn to declare war on Japan to attack.
http://www.harrisgamedesign.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=2152&hilit=Declaration+of+war
Here is a link to Larry Harris Game Design website where a person posted asking the exact same questions as the original poster of this forum post and took a shot at answering his own questions. Krieghund replied by saying the poster was correct in assuming that at the moment Japan declares war on any of the Allied players, all units on the board are instantly hostile and don’t wait until each subsequent factions turn to declare war on Japan to attack.
http://www.harrisgamedesign.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=2152&hilit=Declaration+of+war
That question was asked and answered prior to the release of the official errata. It was based on the wording in the book, which has been replaced.
The replaced wording was a big improvement, but a few details were over looked. Which may have resulted in a few unintended consequences.
It’s possible to dig up past forum posts by Krieghund that are contrary to the current rules. So, they aren’t 100% right.
I didn’t mean you were upset with krieg but you seemed to be upset with others because they told how they interpretted.
Don’t worry about him, he’s just ticked off that he’s been outfoxed on his premature Calcutta invasion and is hoping to get out of it with some rule minutia. Maybe once Kreighund confirms what we all know he’ll resort to the tried-and-true technique of sticking his fingers in his ears and yelling “La La La La La La.”
I didn’t mean you were upset with krieg but you seemed to be upset with others because they told how they interpretted.
Understood
I personally hope that it is all the units of your enemies become hostile that instant rather than waiting til each subsequent turn for them to be able to become hostile, it would just simplify this issue.
Jim is correct. An attack by Japan on the UK/ANZAC does not result in an immediate state of war with the US. It merely gives the US permission to declare war on Japan on its next turn.
I didn’t mean you were upset with krieg but you seemed to be upset with others because they told how they interpretted.
Don’t worry about him, he’s just ticked off that he’s been outfoxed on his premature Calcutta invasion and is hoping to get out of it with some rule minutia. Maybe once Kreighund confirms what we all know he’ll resort to the tried-and-true technique of sticking his fingers in his ears and yelling “La La La La La La.”
Ruh roh…outfoxer or outfoxie?
Thanks for the quick response, Krieg! That was all I needed.
Cheers
Ruh roh…outfoxer or outfoxie?
Neither, as we just played past it. But now we know for the future that block with another ally won’t work.
oh noes
the US phillipines destroeyer cant block an invasion of india
i guess the british destroyer will have to do the job
That was only 1 example were there was a substitution available. I was thinking of other situation preventing hits on other areas.
Jim is correct. An attack by Japan on the UK/ANZAC does not result in an immediate state of war with the US. It merely gives the US permission to declare war on Japan on its next turn.
Okay but just to make sure if UK is at war ANZAC is AUTOMATICALLY at war and visa versa right?
Yes that is in the rulebook, they are essentially one gigantic power split into 2 smaller ones. Attack one, you go to war with the other. Same with Japan attacking the DEI islands not held by UK at the start, it automatically declares war on both Anzac and UK by doing so.
