No scramble
L25 PTV Stucifer (X+12) vs peirce (L)
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I didn’t look at the Pacific at all on Italy’s turn 😅
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@Stucifer My understanding was that you had to have a land unit in the territory to be able to carrier scramble - that’s what it says in the Rules. As you only had a bomber (which is not a land unit - see China’s garrison rules), I assumed you didn’t get a scramble. Do I have that wrong?
If so, no problem - I’ll change a couple of things for the USA turn in the Pacific, if that works for you (no combat).
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@peirce Is that in the atripleA game notes? I was using this thread:
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/post/1400752Am on mobile for now so I cant review TripleA until later tomorrow if clarification is still needed
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@Stucifer From Carrier scramble: “A carrier may scramble one plane to battles in adjacent sea zones/territories where there is at least one defending surface warship/land unit…”
I understood that to mean land units, since the map draws a distinction between land and air units. If you look at the BM Rules (that this map is based on), it says under China: “At the start of China’s turn, a Chinese infantry is spawned in each non-coastal Chinese territory under Axis control that is not garrisoned by at least one Axis land unit (i.e., infantry, marine, mech infantry, artillery, or armor).”
Again, I’m happy to re-do the Pacific US moves (no combat) if I’m wrong about the above - still learning this map!
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That’s a good point. I brought it up in the League discussion thread and we can ask gamerman to make a mod ruling decision, but I did find a couple posts in the Rules Discussion that clarifies the intent of the designers. This is probably a case where fan-made rules don’t get quite the rigourous editing and polish as the base game (although, to be fair, there are plenty of errata in the official published games!)
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@Stucifer Makes sense to me! Sorry for the hassle - was going based on the wording of the Rules and the BM Rules. I saw that Axis-Dom had the same interpretation that I did (that air units aren’t land units), so it’s good to have it settled by the game designers!
Are you ok with me making changes to the US Pacific non-combat move, and re-doing the Anzac combat turn? There wouldn’t be any combat that we’d have to roll for, thankfully.
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Yes, go ahead and redo the ANZAC turn with edited US NCM.
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No hassle, there’s a lot of rules and exceptions in A&A and things that can happen like The Sneaky Carl (if you haven’t heard of that, it’s a gem)
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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory
Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - ANZAC Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode ANZAC buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Americans takes 23 Sea Zone from Japanese EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode EDIT: 1 destroyer moved from 31 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone EDIT: 1 carrier and 2 fighters moved from 47 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone EDIT: 1 destroyer moved from 27 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 49 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 23 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 23 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone Combat - ANZAC Battle in 20 Sea Zone ANZAC attack with 1 fighter Japanese defend with 2 transports 2 transports owned by the Japanese lost in 20 Sea Zone ANZAC win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Japanese: 2 transports Battle in 21 Sea Zone ANZAC attack with 1 fighter Japanese defend with 2 transports 2 transports owned by the Japanese lost in 21 Sea Zone ANZAC win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Japanese: 2 transports Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 fighter moved from 21 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 20 Sea Zone to Anhwe Place Units - ANZAC 3 infantry placed in New South Wales Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 7 PUs; end with 9 PUs Combat Move - French 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom 1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya 1 infantry moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Egypt Non Combat Move - French Turn Complete - FrenchCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@Stucifer Lol, I’d never heard it called that, but the UK DD in Japan sea zone with Anzac DOW can be a real kick in the nuts if Japan hasn’t guarded against it.
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You know, it’s quite rude to be offered an edit and use it to exploit someone. Some might even say, devilish.
Good thing I’m used to such ill-mannered behavior 😈😈
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TripleA Move Summary: Germans round 5
TripleA Move Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory
Game History
Round: 5 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 3 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine Germans take Ukraine from Russians 1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Western Ukraine Germans take Western Ukraine from Russians 1 armour moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine 1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus Germans take Southern Belarus from Russians 1 armour moved from Southern Belarus to Northern Belarus 2 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus 1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad Germans take Leningrad from Russians 1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 126 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Germany to 117 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 118 Sea Zone to Leningrad 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Leningrad -
Scramble 112 and fight or submerge with sub?
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@Stucifer Lol, I’d rather have the bomber dead and the fighters in Sydney - happy to offer that alternative… :)
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@Stucifer No scramble, and sub submerges.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 5
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory
Game History
Round: 5 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 3 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine Germans take Ukraine from Russians 1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Western Ukraine Germans take Western Ukraine from Russians 1 armour moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine 1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus Germans take Southern Belarus from Russians 1 armour moved from Southern Belarus to Northern Belarus 2 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus 1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad Germans take Leningrad from Russians 1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 126 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Germany to 117 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 118 Sea Zone to Leningrad 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Leningrad Combat - Germans Battle in Northern Belarus Germans attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 10 infantry Russians defend with 1 tactical_bomber Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 10 infantry in Northern Belarus, round 2 : 3/13 hits, 3.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 tactical_bomber in Northern Belarus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Russians lost in Northern Belarus Germans win, taking Northern Belarus from Russians with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 10 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10 Casualties for Russians: 1 tactical_bomber Battle in 112 Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine 1 submarine owned by the British submerged Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 112 Sea Zone Germans win, taking 112 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Trigger Germans Destroy Factories Leningrad: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Germans in Leningrad Trigger Germans Destroy Factories Ukraine: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Germans in Ukraine Non Combat Move - Germans Trigger Leningrad Has Fallen to Germans Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Leningrad_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed attached to Germans Trigger Ukraine Has Fallen to Germans Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Ukraine_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed attached to Germans 1 submarine moved from 125 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux 1 aaGun moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium 1 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 aaGun moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy 1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria 1 aaGun moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine 3 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Greece 1 fighter moved from Poland to Southern Italy 1 aaGun moved from Vyborg to Leningrad 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Leningrad 1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Leningrad 1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Leningrad 1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Leningrad 1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus 2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia 6 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus 8 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland 1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 infantry moved from Karelia to Vyborg 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Greece Place Units - Germans 1 fighter and 3 infantry placed in Western Germany 1 factory_minor placed in Greece 2 artilleries and 7 infantry placed in Germany Germans undo move 1. 1 fighter and 3 infantry placed in Western Germany Turn Complete - Germans Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 101 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,5 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 95 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,5 Germans collect 56 PUs; end with 56 PUs Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 59 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 67 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : -0.50 Germans regular : -1.50 British regular : -0.33 -
@peirce said in L25 PTV Stucifer (X+12) vs peirce (L):
@Stucifer Lol, I’d rather have the bomber dead and the fighters in Sydney - happy to offer that alternative… :)
I was tempted to let it lie, but I felt that:
A) you would have made the transport-killing move in the first place if you had seen it;
B) integrity of the game being accurate to the rules so we both are satisfied with the outcome win or loseCertainly wouldn’t want there to be another situation where I was owed a scramble and it was a much bigger retcon/game changing decision
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To point A, if you had seen it before you moved, I am curious why you didn’t do that in the first place
That's 'cause a droid don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose.
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wish we could edit our posts here, but I understand why we can’t…
I meant to say before the Edit of NCM
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@Stucifer Understood re both points - better for us to just use the rules as they are. As to why I didn’t do that in the first place, it’s because I’d rather have the 2x fighters in Sydney (with the bomber dead) than the 4 transports dead but losing an extra DD. It was close, but I’d rather be certain that Anzac can defend itself for the foreseeable future than eliminate the transports closer to home.
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