L25 PTV Stucifer (X+12) vs peirce (L)

[peirce]

TripleA Turn Summary: ANZAC round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        2 fighters moved from 47 Sea Zone to New Guinea
        1 cruiser moved from 49 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in New Guinea
            ANZAC attack with 2 fighters
            Japanese defend with 1 bomber
                ANZAC roll dice for 2 fighters in New Guinea, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber in New Guinea, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 bomber owned by the Japanese lost in New Guinea
            ANZAC win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 bomber

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        2 fighters moved from New Guinea to New South Wales

    Place Units - ANZAC
        3 infantry placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 7 PUs; end with 9 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : -0.17
ANZAC regular : 0.00

Savegame

[peirce]

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        2 fighters moved from 47 Sea Zone to New Guinea
        1 cruiser moved from 49 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in New Guinea
            ANZAC attack with 2 fighters
            Japanese defend with 1 bomber
                ANZAC roll dice for 2 fighters in New Guinea, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber in New Guinea, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 bomber owned by the Japanese lost in New Guinea
            ANZAC win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 bomber

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        2 fighters moved from New Guinea to New South Wales

    Place Units - ANZAC
        3 infantry placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 7 PUs; end with 9 PUs

    Combat Move - French
        1 infantry moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
        1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom

    Non Combat Move - French

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : -0.17
ANZAC regular : 0.00

Savegame

[Stucifer]

We can edit the carrier in 47 back to 27 if you want, or you can take your luck in New Guinea but I do have a 3-plane scramble to defend my bomber

[Stucifer]

I didn’t look at the Pacific at all on Italy’s turn 😅

[peirce]

@Stucifer My understanding was that you had to have a land unit in the territory to be able to carrier scramble - that’s what it says in the Rules. As you only had a bomber (which is not a land unit - see China’s garrison rules), I assumed you didn’t get a scramble. Do I have that wrong?

If so, no problem - I’ll change a couple of things for the USA turn in the Pacific, if that works for you (no combat).

[Stucifer]

@peirce Is that in the atripleA game notes? I was using this thread:
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/post/1400752

Am on mobile for now so I cant review TripleA until later tomorrow if clarification is still needed

[peirce]

@Stucifer From Carrier scramble: “A carrier may scramble one plane to battles in adjacent sea zones/territories where there is at least one defending surface warship/land unit…”

I understood that to mean land units, since the map draws a distinction between land and air units. If you look at the BM Rules (that this map is based on), it says under China: “At the start of China’s turn, a Chinese infantry is spawned in each non-coastal Chinese territory under Axis control that is not garrisoned by at least one Axis land unit (i.e., infantry, marine, mech infantry, artillery, or armor).”

Again, I’m happy to re-do the Pacific US moves (no combat) if I’m wrong about the above - still learning this map!

[Stucifer]

That’s a good point. I brought it up in the League discussion thread and we can ask gamerman to make a mod ruling decision, but I did find a couple posts in the Rules Discussion that clarifies the intent of the designers. This is probably a case where fan-made rules don’t get quite the rigourous editing and polish as the base game (although, to be fair, there are plenty of errata in the official published games!)

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/post/1404301

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/post/1486451

[peirce]

@Stucifer Makes sense to me! Sorry for the hassle - was going based on the wording of the Rules and the BM Rules. I saw that Axis-Dom had the same interpretation that I did (that air units aren’t land units), so it’s good to have it settled by the game designers!

Are you ok with me making changes to the US Pacific non-combat move, and re-doing the Anzac combat turn? There wouldn’t be any combat that we’d have to roll for, thankfully.

[Stucifer]

Yes, go ahead and redo the ANZAC turn with edited US NCM.

[Stucifer]

No hassle, there’s a lot of rules and exceptions in A&A and things that can happen like The Sneaky Carl (if you haven’t heard of that, it’s a gem)

[peirce]

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        ANZAC buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Americans takes 23 Sea Zone from Japanese
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        EDIT: 1 destroyer moved from 31 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 carrier and 2 fighters moved from 47 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
        EDIT: 1 destroyer moved from 27 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 49 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 23 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 23 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in 20 Sea Zone
            ANZAC attack with 1 fighter
            Japanese defend with 2 transports
                2 transports owned by the Japanese lost in 20 Sea Zone
            ANZAC win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 transports
        Battle in 21 Sea Zone
            ANZAC attack with 1 fighter
            Japanese defend with 2 transports
                2 transports owned by the Japanese lost in 21 Sea Zone
            ANZAC win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 transports

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 fighter moved from 21 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 20 Sea Zone to Anhwe

    Place Units - ANZAC
        3 infantry placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 7 PUs; end with 9 PUs

    Combat Move - French
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
        1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya
        1 infantry moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Egypt

    Non Combat Move - French

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[peirce]

@Stucifer Lol, I’d never heard it called that, but the UK DD in Japan sea zone with Anzac DOW can be a real kick in the nuts if Japan hasn’t guarded against it.

[Stucifer]

You know, it’s quite rude to be offered an edit and use it to exploit someone. Some might even say, devilish.

Good thing I’m used to such ill-mannered behavior 😈😈

[Stucifer]

TripleA Move Summary: Germans round 5

TripleA Move Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 5

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        3 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
              Germans take Ukraine from Russians
        1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Western Ukraine
              Germans take Western Ukraine from Russians
        1 armour moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
        1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus
              Germans take Southern Belarus from Russians
        1 armour moved from Southern Belarus to Northern Belarus
        2 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad
              Germans take Leningrad from Russians
        1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 126 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Germany to 117 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 118 Sea Zone to Leningrad
        1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad
        1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Leningrad

Savegame

[Stucifer]

Scramble 112 and fight or submerge with sub?

[peirce]

@Stucifer Lol, I’d rather have the bomber dead and the fighters in Sydney - happy to offer that alternative… :)

[peirce]

@Stucifer No scramble, and sub submerges.

[Stucifer]

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 5

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        3 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
              Germans take Ukraine from Russians
        1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Western Ukraine
              Germans take Western Ukraine from Russians
        1 armour moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
        1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus
              Germans take Southern Belarus from Russians
        1 armour moved from Southern Belarus to Northern Belarus
        2 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad
              Germans take Leningrad from Russians
        1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 126 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Germany to 117 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 118 Sea Zone to Leningrad
        1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad
        1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Leningrad

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Northern Belarus
            Germans attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 10 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 10 infantry in Northern Belarus, round 2 : 3/13 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 tactical_bomber in Northern Belarus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 tactical_bomber owned by the Russians lost in Northern Belarus
            Germans win, taking Northern Belarus from Russians with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 10 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
            Casualties for Russians: 1 tactical_bomber
        Battle in 112 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
            1 submarine owned by the British submerged
                Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 112 Sea Zone
            Germans win, taking 112 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 fighters, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Trigger Germans Destroy Factories Leningrad: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Germans in Leningrad
        Trigger Germans Destroy Factories Ukraine: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Germans in Ukraine

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Trigger Leningrad Has Fallen to Germans Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Leningrad_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed attached to Germans
        Trigger Ukraine Has Fallen to Germans Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Ukraine_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed attached to Germans
        1 submarine moved from 125 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 aaGun moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
        1 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 aaGun moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
        1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
        1 aaGun moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
        3 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Greece
        1 fighter moved from Poland to Southern Italy
        1 aaGun moved from Vyborg to Leningrad
        1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Leningrad
        1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Leningrad
        1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Leningrad
        1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Leningrad
        1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus
        2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia
        6 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus
        8 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
        1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        1 infantry moved from Karelia to Vyborg
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Greece

    Place Units - Germans
        1 fighter and 3 infantry placed in Western Germany
        1 factory_minor placed in Greece
        2 artilleries and 7 infantry placed in Germany
        Germans undo move 1.
        1 fighter and 3 infantry placed in Western Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 101 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 95 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,5
        Germans collect 56 PUs; end with 56 PUs
        Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 59 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 67 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : -0.50
Germans regular : -1.50
British regular : -0.33

Savegame

[Stucifer]

@peirce said in L25 PTV Stucifer (X+12) vs peirce (L):

@Stucifer Lol, I’d rather have the bomber dead and the fighters in Sydney - happy to offer that alternative… :)

I was tempted to let it lie, but I felt that:

A) you would have made the transport-killing move in the first place if you had seen it;
B) integrity of the game being accurate to the rules so we both are satisfied with the outcome win or lose

Certainly wouldn’t want there to be another situation where I was owed a scramble and it was a much bigger retcon/game changing decision