L25 PtV axis-dominion (L) vs peirce (X + 14)

[axis-dominion]

Nah it’s not poor play, I just don’t think you’ll get consistency required for top play taking big risks like that that aren’t necessary. Your position was strong as is, you didn’t need to clear Russian land units.

[peirce]

@axis-dominion Suppose we’ll see.

[axis-dominion]

So far in my experience with SL in ptv, G doesn’t have a problem pushing the red army out of Europe. As I stated in a different thread yesterday, this wasn’t the case in BM where Russia could dominate in Europe.

[peirce]

@axis-dominion Dunno about that. A Russia earning 70+ on this map is pretty terrifying. And posted up in Yugo, you were threatening 6 Axis territories, and I definitely couldn’t protect them all - that’s a ton of N.O. points waiting for Russia to snap up.

[axis-dominion]

In fact your play is quite good, you managed to trap my Chinese stack, which I didn’t expect. Tho I take some comfort in that it cost you two air bases and I managed to squash a couple planes as well. But yeah my main point is especially applicable given you’re actually quite good.

[peirce]

@axis-dominion I had to buy the 2 ABs to make up for not buying one the previous turn. Needed my fix.

[axis-dominion]

@peirce said in L25 PtV axis-dominion (L) vs peirce (X + 14):

@axis-dominion I had to buy the 2 ABs to make up for not buying one the previous turn. Needed my fix.

😂

[axis-dominion]

@peirce said in L25 PtV axis-dominion (L) vs peirce (X + 14):

@axis-dominion Dunno about that. A Russia earning 70+ on this map is pretty terrifying. And posted up in Yugo, you were threatening 6 Axis territories, and I definitely couldn’t protect them all - that’s a ton of N.O. points waiting for Russia to snap up.

That’s very temporary given my thinning front lines and weak supply lines. At some point I’d have to start skirmishing with heavy units which I usually won’t do, and all the while you’re supply lines are much shorter and stacking on me hard. Anyway I know this from experience being in a string of sea lines lately

[peirce]

@axis-dominion Granted, I’m new to the Forum style of play, but I think that if a player isn’t willing to take gambles sometimes, that can be used against them. I appreciate that risk-tolerance has to increase as a player’s situation becomes more desperate, but if I know that someone isn’t going to take a 70% gamble when they’re ahead, then I can commit fewer troops to hold objectives, to use them elsewhere. Anyways, time will tell.

[axis-dominion]

@peirce said in L25 PtV axis-dominion (L) vs peirce (X + 14):

@axis-dominion Dunno about that. A Russia earning 70+ on this map is pretty terrifying. And posted up in Yugo, you were threatening 6 Axis territories, and I definitely couldn’t protect them all - that’s a ton of N.O. points waiting for Russia to snap up.

This helps to explain your motivation which from your perspective this was more of a necessary risk, vs how I’m seeing it as unnecessary (more based on my recent direct experience with sea lion games in ptv).

[axis-dominion]

@peirce said in L25 PtV axis-dominion (L) vs peirce (X + 14):

@axis-dominion Granted, I’m new to the Forum style of play, but I think that if a player isn’t willing to take gambles sometimes, that can be used against them. I appreciate that risk-tolerance has to increase as a player’s situation becomes more desperate, but if I know that someone isn’t going to take a 70% gamble when they’re ahead, then I can commit fewer troops to hold objectives, to use them elsewhere. Anyways, time will tell.

more to say on this later, at my daughter’s soccer game

[peirce]

@axis-dominion Fair enough - this is my 9th game of PTV, I think, so I’ll have to see how it plays out. But sitting in Yugo, you’d be able to wipe out any territory next door, which means I can’t commit too many troops to any territory (or suffer a massive TUV hit), and if I don’t protect the surrounding territories, then Russia is earning 70+. Russia earning more than Germany, and entrenched in SE Europe, is end-game for Axis (at least, it is in BM). From my perspective, I didn’t have much of a choice.

[axis-dominion]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Russians round 9

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 1 airfield, 3 artilleries and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Leningrad
              Russians take Leningrad from Germans
        1 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Baltic States
              Russians take Baltic States from Germans
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Poland
        3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Southern Belarus to Poland
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Poland
        1 armour moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan
              Russians take Trans-Jordan from Italians
        1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
        1 fighter and 5 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
        1 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Korea
              Russians take Korea from Japanese

    Combat - Russians

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[axis-dominion]

i’m assuming no scramble in polanda.

but anwhe is close, want to scram?

[peirce]

@axis-dominion No scramble.

[axis-dominion]

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 1 airfield, 3 artilleries and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Leningrad
              Russians take Leningrad from Germans
        1 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Baltic States
              Russians take Baltic States from Germans
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Poland
        3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Southern Belarus to Poland
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Poland
        1 armour moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan
              Russians take Trans-Jordan from Italians
        1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
        1 fighter and 5 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
        1 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Korea
              Russians take Korea from Japanese

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Poland
            Russians attack with 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers in Poland, round 2 : 7/9 hits, 4.83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Poland
            Russians win, taking Poland from Germans with 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Anhwe
            Russians attack with 1 fighter and 5 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 armour
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 5 infantry in Anhwe, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour in Anhwe, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Anhwe
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 4 infantry in Anhwe, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour in Anhwe, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Anhwe
                1 armour owned by the Japanese lost in Anhwe
            Russians win, taking Anhwe from Japanese with 1 fighter and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Yunnan
        1 infantry moved from Urals to Timguska
        4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
        10 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Eastern Poland
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Northern Belarus
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Northern Belarus
        6 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Eastern Poland
        2 armour moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Romania
        1 submarine moved from 99 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Russians
        1 airfield placed in Eastern Poland
        3 infantry placed in Ukraine
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Iraq
        1 infantry placed in Urals
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 6
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 5 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 82 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,3,2,2,2,4,6,2,3,3,3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,5
        Russians collect 50 PUs (6 lost to blockades); end with 50 PUs
        Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 53 PUs
        Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 59 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 1.00
Germans regular : -0.33
Russians regular : 0.67

Savegame

[axis-dominion]

i got jelly of all your ABs

[peirce]

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 4 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 8 infantry, 1 marine and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 unit repaired.
        1 armour moved from Shantung to Fukien
              Japanese take Kiangsu from Chinese
        1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
        1 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Korea
        1 fighter moved from 20 Sea Zone to Korea
        1 fighter moved from Jehol to Korea
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to Fukien
        5 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Fukien
        2 transports moved from 21 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries moved from Shantung to 20 Sea Zone
        3 armour moved from Southern Manchuria to 20 Sea Zone
        6 infantry moved from Shantung to 20 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from Shantung to 20 Sea Zone
        3 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 cruiser, 6 infantry, 1 marine and 6 transports moved from 20 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
        3 armour, 3 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 marine moved from 21 Sea Zone to Fukien
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Siam to 132 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 132 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Fukien
        1 fighter moved from Jehol to Fukien
        3 armour, 2 bombers, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangtung to Fukien

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Fukien
            Japanese attack with 8 armour, 8 artilleries, 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 13 infantry, 1 marine and 3 tactical_bombers
            Chinese defend with 1 airfield, 1 artillery and 26 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser in Fukien, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 8 armour, 8 artilleries, 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 13 infantry, 1 marine and 3 tactical_bombers in Fukien, round 2 : 18/39 hits, 15.50 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery and 26 infantry in Fukien, round 2 : 11/27 hits, 9.00 expected hits
                7 infantry owned by the Japanese and 4 artilleries owned by the Japanese lost in Fukien
                18 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Fukien
                Japanese roll dice for 8 armour, 4 artilleries, 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 6 infantry, 1 marine and 3 tactical_bombers in Fukien, round 3 : 14/28 hits, 12.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery and 8 infantry in Fukien, round 3 : 4/9 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                4 artilleries owned by the Japanese lost in Fukien
                8 infantry owned by the Chinese and 1 artillery owned by the Chinese lost in Fukien
            Japanese win, taking Fukien from Chinese with 8 armour, 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 6 infantry, 1 marine and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 29
            Casualties for Japanese: 8 artilleries and 7 infantry
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 artillery and 26 infantry
        Battle in Korea
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Korea, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Korea, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Korea
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Korea
            Japanese win, taking Korea from Russians with 1 artillery and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 carrier moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 33 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from Marshall Islands to 33 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 34 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Queensland
        1 submarine moved from 38 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 59 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Fukien to Caroline Islands
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Fukien to 35 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Fukien to 34 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Fukien to 20 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Korea to Jehol
        1 fighter moved from Fukien to Kwangtung
        2 bombers moved from Fukien to Kwangtung
        1 aaGun moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung
        1 aaGun moved from Shantung to Kiangsu
        1 artillery moved from Siam to 132 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from 132 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from 55 Sea Zone to Queensland
        1 transport moved from 132 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 40 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 40 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 40 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        1 carrier moved from 82 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 82 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        1 battleship moved from 82 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 82 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in Kwangtung
        1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 marine placed in New South Wales
        1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer placed in 7 Sea Zone
        3 infantry placed in Southern Manchuria
        Japanese undo move 5.
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Southern Manchuria
        2 artilleries and 4 infantry placed in Japan

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 57 PUs; end with 57 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 60 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs
        Objective Japanese 7 Vital Forward Bases: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs
        Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 75 PUs
        Objective Japanese 2 Strategic Defense Perimeter: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 80 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 3.00
Japanese regular : 5.00
Russians regular : 0.67

Savegame

[peirce]

China continuing to throw bombs.

[axis-dominion]

yeah i’m not too unhappy with that result