L25 PtV axis-dominion (L) vs peirce (X + 14)

[peirce]

@axis-dominion You got a mulligan on the Yugo disaster, so it’s not reflected on the map at all.

I’m a bit confused about the point you’re making about my “gambling” here. Apart from my Italy move to soften up your stack in Yugo (which I agree was a risk, but part of a larger strategy, and was only +2 hits than odds), what attacks of mine have you seen to be hail-mary gambles that got me a result I didn’t deserve? Can you point to one that was a real game-changer?

[axis-dominion]

The yugo, and now this one, are the two big gambles that I’m referring to.

[peirce]

@axis-dominion Ah, ok. So on the map as it stands, the only “gamble” that I took went horribly against me. You should be able to mop me up pretty quick here, with my poor play…

[axis-dominion]

Nah it’s not poor play, I just don’t think you’ll get consistency required for top play taking big risks like that that aren’t necessary. Your position was strong as is, you didn’t need to clear Russian land units.

[peirce]

@axis-dominion Suppose we’ll see.

[axis-dominion]

So far in my experience with SL in ptv, G doesn’t have a problem pushing the red army out of Europe. As I stated in a different thread yesterday, this wasn’t the case in BM where Russia could dominate in Europe.

[peirce]

@axis-dominion Dunno about that. A Russia earning 70+ on this map is pretty terrifying. And posted up in Yugo, you were threatening 6 Axis territories, and I definitely couldn’t protect them all - that’s a ton of N.O. points waiting for Russia to snap up.

[axis-dominion]

In fact your play is quite good, you managed to trap my Chinese stack, which I didn’t expect. Tho I take some comfort in that it cost you two air bases and I managed to squash a couple planes as well. But yeah my main point is especially applicable given you’re actually quite good.

[peirce]

@axis-dominion I had to buy the 2 ABs to make up for not buying one the previous turn. Needed my fix.

[axis-dominion]

@peirce said in L25 PtV axis-dominion (L) vs peirce (X + 14):

@axis-dominion I had to buy the 2 ABs to make up for not buying one the previous turn. Needed my fix.

😂

[axis-dominion]

@peirce said in L25 PtV axis-dominion (L) vs peirce (X + 14):

@axis-dominion Dunno about that. A Russia earning 70+ on this map is pretty terrifying. And posted up in Yugo, you were threatening 6 Axis territories, and I definitely couldn’t protect them all - that’s a ton of N.O. points waiting for Russia to snap up.

That’s very temporary given my thinning front lines and weak supply lines. At some point I’d have to start skirmishing with heavy units which I usually won’t do, and all the while you’re supply lines are much shorter and stacking on me hard. Anyway I know this from experience being in a string of sea lines lately

[peirce]

@axis-dominion Granted, I’m new to the Forum style of play, but I think that if a player isn’t willing to take gambles sometimes, that can be used against them. I appreciate that risk-tolerance has to increase as a player’s situation becomes more desperate, but if I know that someone isn’t going to take a 70% gamble when they’re ahead, then I can commit fewer troops to hold objectives, to use them elsewhere. Anyways, time will tell.

[axis-dominion]

@peirce said in L25 PtV axis-dominion (L) vs peirce (X + 14):

@axis-dominion Dunno about that. A Russia earning 70+ on this map is pretty terrifying. And posted up in Yugo, you were threatening 6 Axis territories, and I definitely couldn’t protect them all - that’s a ton of N.O. points waiting for Russia to snap up.

This helps to explain your motivation which from your perspective this was more of a necessary risk, vs how I’m seeing it as unnecessary (more based on my recent direct experience with sea lion games in ptv).

[axis-dominion]

@peirce said in L25 PtV axis-dominion (L) vs peirce (X + 14):

@axis-dominion Granted, I’m new to the Forum style of play, but I think that if a player isn’t willing to take gambles sometimes, that can be used against them. I appreciate that risk-tolerance has to increase as a player’s situation becomes more desperate, but if I know that someone isn’t going to take a 70% gamble when they’re ahead, then I can commit fewer troops to hold objectives, to use them elsewhere. Anyways, time will tell.

more to say on this later, at my daughter’s soccer game

[peirce]

@axis-dominion Fair enough - this is my 9th game of PTV, I think, so I’ll have to see how it plays out. But sitting in Yugo, you’d be able to wipe out any territory next door, which means I can’t commit too many troops to any territory (or suffer a massive TUV hit), and if I don’t protect the surrounding territories, then Russia is earning 70+. Russia earning more than Germany, and entrenched in SE Europe, is end-game for Axis (at least, it is in BM). From my perspective, I didn’t have much of a choice.

[axis-dominion]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Russians round 9

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 1 airfield, 3 artilleries and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Leningrad
              Russians take Leningrad from Germans
        1 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Baltic States
              Russians take Baltic States from Germans
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Poland
        3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Southern Belarus to Poland
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Poland
        1 armour moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan
              Russians take Trans-Jordan from Italians
        1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
        1 fighter and 5 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
        1 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Korea
              Russians take Korea from Japanese

    Combat - Russians

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[axis-dominion]

i’m assuming no scramble in polanda.

but anwhe is close, want to scram?

[peirce]

@axis-dominion No scramble.

[axis-dominion]

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 9

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 1 airfield, 3 artilleries and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Leningrad
              Russians take Leningrad from Germans
        1 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Baltic States
              Russians take Baltic States from Germans
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Poland
        3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Southern Belarus to Poland
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Poland
        1 armour moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan
              Russians take Trans-Jordan from Italians
        1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
        1 fighter and 5 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
        1 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Korea
              Russians take Korea from Japanese

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Poland
            Russians attack with 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers in Poland, round 2 : 7/9 hits, 4.83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Poland
            Russians win, taking Poland from Germans with 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Anhwe
            Russians attack with 1 fighter and 5 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 armour
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 5 infantry in Anhwe, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour in Anhwe, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Anhwe
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 4 infantry in Anhwe, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 armour in Anhwe, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Anhwe
                1 armour owned by the Japanese lost in Anhwe
            Russians win, taking Anhwe from Japanese with 1 fighter and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Yunnan
        1 infantry moved from Urals to Timguska
        4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
        10 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Eastern Poland
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Northern Belarus
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Northern Belarus
        6 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Eastern Poland
        2 armour moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Romania
        1 submarine moved from 99 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Russians
        1 airfield placed in Eastern Poland
        3 infantry placed in Ukraine
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Iraq
        1 infantry placed in Urals
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 6
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 5 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 82 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,3,2,2,2,4,6,2,3,3,3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,5
        Russians collect 50 PUs (6 lost to blockades); end with 50 PUs
        Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 53 PUs
        Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 59 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 1.00
Germans regular : -0.33
Russians regular : 0.67

Savegame

[axis-dominion]

i got jelly of all your ABs