League General Discussion Thread

[mikawagunichi]

@gamerman01 How much would the average PTV bid need to change in order to exceed average BM bid? (In absolute value)

[gamerman01]

@mikawagunichi Only about 15, at the most

[axis-dominion]

as axis in ptv, i have found strong european naval presence, supporting italy to take gib and egypt, has been the most effective so far. i did this against adam in both games i played him so far and in both games i was winning. the first i ended up losing as my japanese play was on the weaker side and made some bad decisions and got punished by the dice, with adam taking advantage of these weaknesses and opportunities by swinging his european navy and spamming subs. in the second one it was very similar but i played a much stronger japan so i moved on to win that one.

[axis-dominion]

and btw in that first game i won several major battles on the europe side including smashing his entire atlantic navy at gib, and i thought for sure i would win, but allies in ptv are definitely more resilient.

[axis-dominion]

the third and most recent game between us i got sea lion’ed, but i ended up having a substaintial > 700 tuv lead and felt i had the advantage, but his axis was still strong and continued making gains… there were some blunders and we had some disagreements that we couldn’t settle so just ended up scrapping the game. but it was a fun one, but also very long one with no end in sight.

[crockett36]

I’m wondering if we examined the elo of the top 10, would we discover that they played and play the Axis plus 65 percent of the time.

[mikawagunichi]

Man I think PTV players would be tripping over themselves to play axis at +18. 3 TPs/subs

[gamerman01]

Path to Victory, right?

I just added up Ghostglider, Adam514, General Disarray, Axis Dominion, 666, Peirce, and ArtofWar. FOR THE PAST 18 MONTHS ONLY
In total they took Allies 39 times, Axis 31
General D wants the Allies and took them 6 times and Axis only 1
Peirce wants Axis and took them 6 times and Axis 0
So those two offset.

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About bids for PtV, and it being the most “balanced” because of small bids chosen:

We don’t have enough sample size, not even close, to make any conclusions about what a proper bid should be.

Most of the games completed over the past 18 months should be thrown out of consideration because the stronger player almost always wins. I’m seeing that no matter what side is taken by who, the stronger player wins - almost always.
The rest of the games, which are few, just don’t tell you anything about bids because there are waaaaay too many other variables.

[gamerman01]

The 42% Axis statistic I dropped last week, and the fancy colored bar graph in the statistics section of the ELO rating sheet?

Horribly misleading!

How much the Axis win is largely a function of who likes to take what side. Maybe that’s what @crockett36 was looking for. Top players took Allies 39 times to 31, and, guess what, the Allies have been rolling the past 18 months.

The fact that stronger players are winning more games is not a strong indication that PtV is “balanced” close to zero.
I’m convinced that rather, it’s a strong indicator that PTV is big enough and complex enough that the results are not very sensitive to a bid.
To be clearer, I doubt that we would have much different results between a -30 bid and a -8 bid. The skill of the players and the magnitude of the game overpower it.

[mikawagunichi]

@gamerman01 I definitely agree with the point about lack of insensitivity to an bid. The absolute bids are too low for it to be sensitive in the first place IMO.

But, (and no offense) the recent post mortem on the OOB playoffs in which it was declared the game was over after G1 would never happen in PTV outside of absolutely insane dice. The board is bigger, the strategies are more diverse, and there are far more opportunities to recover from bad dice.

[crockett36]

@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:

Path to Victory, right?

I just added up Ghostglider, Adam514, General Disarray, Axis Dominion, 666, Peirce, and ArtofWar. FOR THE PAST 18 MONTHS ONLY
In total they took Allies 39 times, Axis 31
General D wants the Allies and took them 6 times and Axis only 1
Peirce wants Axis and took them 6 times and Axis 0
So those two offset.

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About bids for PtV, and it being the most “balanced” because of small bids chosen:

We don’t have enough sample size, not even close, to make any conclusions about what a proper bid should be.

Most of the games completed over the past 18 months should be thrown out of consideration because the stronger player almost always wins. I’m seeing that no matter what side is taken by who, the stronger player wins - almost always.
The rest of the games, which are few, just don’t tell you anything about bids because there are waaaaay too many other variables.

What about oob? Top 10 elo, axis, allies?

[crockett36]

@crockett36 great work!

[barnee]

@mikawagunichi said in League General Discussion Thread:

More of a damning assessment of LL IMO. PTV is by far the most balanced and dynamic of the the 3 global variants.

There is a 4th variant :)

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/36945/axis-allies-global-1940-house-rules-expansion

[AndrewAAGamer]

@barnee said in League General Discussion Thread:

@mikawagunichi said in League General Discussion Thread:

More of a damning assessment of LL IMO. PTV is by far the most balanced and dynamic of the the 3 global variants.

There is a 4th variant :)

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/36945/axis-allies-global-1940-house-rules-expansion

Yes, but that one is not a League game which, I think, is what he was referring to.

[barnee]

@AndrewAAGamer

Sorry

My bad

:blush emoji

[crockett36]

42 should be league, imo.

[Stucifer]

@crockett36 Seconded, G42 is the official GenCon tournament version.

I have been practicing quite a bit for BGN’s Battlefront Dayton this November, and the time limit using a tournament format really changes the game.

[AndrewAAGamer]

@crockett36 said in League General Discussion Thread:

42 should be league, imo.

I will admit I’m not sure what version you are referencing when you say 42. Is that AA 50 1942 scenario?

[crockett36]

@AndrewAAGamer LH came up with a 42 set up. It is the version of G40 that is played as a tournament at Gencon, Smorey Swamp. Very unique. Worth a look.

[Stucifer]

@AndrewAAGamer Global 1942, there is an official Larry Harris version which is included in the Global map pack download.

Major differences in board setup since it (vaguely) resembles a later point in time, and the Turn Order is different -
USSR
JAPAN
USA/CHINA
GERMANY
UK
ITALY
ANZAC/FRANCE

Greg Smorey tournament rules:
https://headlesshorseman2.com/gen-con.html

https://headlesshorseman2.com/uploads/3/4/0/0/34000156/g42_tournament_rules_25.pdf