League General Discussion Thread

[peirce]

@axis-dominion … happy to put my theory to the test. Shall we do this?

[Booper]

@peirce said in Post League Game Results Here:

@axis-dominion Love all of this dialogue here!If you’re formally resigning the game, happy to re-do that battle with LL on (for that battle), and see where it takes us. I’m new to the Forum, of course, and very new to PTV, but I’ve been playing BM for many years, and I really like the PTV map. Happy to put my

By posting here, I think @axis-domination DID resign the game - did I miss something? Most people post something like “so-and-so wins, will played”, but it seems in the heat of the moment this did not occur. :)

BTW, here are the entire dice stats. The TOTAL dice rolls look entire fair. However the distribution for Axis rolls is skewed slightly lower, and Allies slightly higher. What can you do - it’s a random number generator, given enough rolls it will start to look fair for each power, but will vary slightly with low sample size.

[peirce]

@axis-dominion I got lucky that battle, no question. But the Sea Lion you complained so much about was a 97% battle in my favour. I was sure enough about winning it that I diverted a bomber to try to knock out the seaport at Gibraltar (which you shot down with your AA - your own luck). Frankly, I’d have readily traded the above-par result (~20 TUV above odds) in London for damaging that port any day. It allowed USA to threaten Germany and Italy at the same time for the rest of the game, which was huge. Far more than an extra couple of fighters.

You also got your own luck in plenty of battles, but I didn’t want to rub salt in the wound. The nature of the game is that one has to take risks - calculated risks - to win, and that’s what I did. But that final battle wasn’t a hail mary - it was a tactical choice to hobble the threat of the Russian/US advance in Eastern Europe.

[peirce]

@axis-dominion Ready when you are.

[gamerman01]

@Booper Unfortunately, total dice rolled throughout the game is misleading at best. So many of them had zero effect but are counted in Triple A stats. And even if they weren’t, the timing and place of the dice are what matter.

[Booper]

@gamerman01

Understood, but it goes to the overall fairness of the random dice generator, which seems to be operating fine.

[gamerman01]

Ah! Yes.

No disrespect was meant. Thanks for clarifying

[axis-dominion]

@peirce said in Post League Game Results Here:

@axis-dominion Ready when you are.

sorry i had stepped away, then fell asleep for a bit

yeah let’s do it. should be fun. game is recorded, so no effect on result, but we can continue on the thread.

take it away!

[peirce]

@axis-dominion Love it. Always seems a shame when a good match-up gets ruined by a brutal dicing. Happy to play this one out!

[axis-dominion]

@peirce said in Post League Game Results Here:

@axis-dominion Love it. Always seems a shame when a good match-up gets ruined by a brutal dicing. Happy to play this one out!

agreed, i was enjoying the game despite being behind a lot, felt allies at least had a chance.

[gamerman01]

Sleep on it realization:

Other than @Adam514 , every one of us has to admit we don’t know what it’s like to reach the mesosphere of 2200+

We’re a bit of a peanut gallery. Well, more than a bit.

[axis-dominion]

yeah adam and i keep swapping seats up there. since i’ve transitioned to ptv i am still figuring it out, and in the process i haven’t been able to progress to 2300 and beyond.

[axis-dominion]

the other factor being that it’s hard to make large gains once you’re up there

[axis-dominion]

and one bad dicing causes a rather large drop…

[axis-dominion]

so if i were to play 666 who’s the top E-ranker and win, i’d gain like 2 or 3 points. if i were to lose, i’d drop 29 or 30.

stakes are like an order of magnitude greater if i were to lose.

fun.

[gamerman01]

It’s kind of a bell curve, right? Yes, you get way up there in rare air, it’s hard to stay up. Did you want me to create tier D, then?

[gamerman01]

@axis-dominion said in Post League Game Results Here:

since i’ve transitioned to ptv i am still figuring it out,

That’s a big part of it, I suspect! You’re not 2200 dominant in PtV yet. You have a heel that wasn’t covered

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

@axis-dominion you are 500 ELO points better than 666. You should be winning 95% of the time against him, a player who has 46 wins and 45 losses, the definition of an average opponent. If you don’t think that you could have that type of odds then you aren’t a 2100+ player.

Top players often have to find meta settings to keep up their ranking, perhaps finding the sweet spot for ELO rank difference and have rules like Low Luck to minimize dicing. Or you could just play games and not care about ELO ranking if you find chasing top-positioning takes away from the enjoyment.

[axis-dominion]

so we’re continuing our game, and he just got 3/4 with his DD hits, that’s following a recent 4/4 DD hits. that’s 7/8 DD hits… what’s that, 1 in 400 odds? his luck is just too unreal

abh
666 is actually a fairly decently good player from the games i remember playing against him, so match would not be a walk in the park, all for almost no elo gain. add to that the ever present risk of dice disasters as happened with peirce, makes it way too risky, assuming i care a lot about my rating. in this case i know from experience playing him (unless he’s changed his approach, as it’s been a while) he’s not one of those that counts on luck to win, he genuinely tries to play the odds and gain advantages through positioning, so i think it’s worth playing him again.

[gamerman01]

This is not an argument to not care about your ELO.

I totally understand we’re competitive gamers and when we put a single number on our success it means a lot.

If it helps, remember that from the impersonal “league’s perspective” the top reasons for a rating, in order of importance to the league, is

#1 To maximize Fun
#2 During regular season, players have a good idea the strength of their prospective opponent. Helps a lot in choosing an opponent.
#3 Decently accurate playoff entry qualifications and seeding
#4 Great way to measure whether and how much you’re improving
#5 Sense of satisfaction, bragging rights, etc