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L25 PTV Peirce (X+10) vs MikawaGunichi (Allies)
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@mikawagunichi Please use 2nd save - I moved some fighters around.
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: UK_Pacific round 15
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory
Game History
Round: 15 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 5 infantry and 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 104 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Eastern United States to 93 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 95 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 95 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Morocco to Gibraltar 1 armour, 1 artillery, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 113 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 destroyers, 7 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 5 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 carrier moved from 113 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Wake Island to 32 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 32 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 49 Sea Zone to Gilbert Islands 3 fighters moved from 32 Sea Zone to Gilbert Islands 1 infantry moved from South Australia to Western Australia ANZAC take Western Australia from Japanese 1 marine moved from Queensland to Northern Australia 1 submarine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 55 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to Northern Australia 6 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 113 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Battle in 56 Sea Zone Americans attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers Japanese defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 56 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 56 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 56 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 56 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 56 Sea Zone Americans win with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer Battle in 93 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 4 destroyers and 5 transports Italians defend with 1 submarine Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 4 destroyers and 5 transports in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Italians lost in 93 Sea Zone Americans win with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 4 destroyers and 5 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Italians: 1 submarine Battle in 95 Sea Zone Americans attack with 2 bombers and 1 fighter Italians defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 2 bombers and 1 fighter in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 95 Sea Zone Americans win with 2 bombers and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer Battle in 94 Sea Zone Americans attack with 6 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Americans roll dice for 6 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/8 hits, 4.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Italians and 1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 94 Sea Zone Americans win with 6 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in 123 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 destroyer Germans defend with 1 submarine Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 123 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 123 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 123 Sea Zone Americans win with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Battle in Gibraltar Americans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Italians defend with 1 harbour and 2 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Gibraltar, round 2 : 3/11 hits, 3.00 expected hits Italians roll dice for 2 infantry in Gibraltar, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in Gibraltar 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Gibraltar Americans win, taking Gibraltar from Italians with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4 Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry Battle in Gilbert Islands Americans attack with 1 artillery, 3 fighters and 3 infantry Japanese defend with 2 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 3 fighters and 3 infantry in Gilbert Islands, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 2.50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Gilbert Islands, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Gilbert Islands Americans win, taking Gilbert Islands from Japanese with 1 artillery, 3 fighters and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Battle in Northern Australia Americans attack with 3 fighters, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 1 tactical_bomber Americans roll dice for 3 fighters, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber in Northern Australia, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 tactical_bomber in Northern Australia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 marine owned by the Americans lost in Northern Australia 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Japanese lost in Northern Australia Americans win with 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Americans: 1 marine Casualties for Japanese: 1 tactical_bomber Non Combat Move - Americans 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Australia to 55 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 56 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 55 Sea Zone to 64 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from Victoria to 64 Sea Zone 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 64 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 55 Sea Zone to Queensland 1 transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 64 Sea Zone 2 carriers and 2 destroyers moved from 32 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from Gilbert Islands to 49 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western United States to 49 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 32 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 55 Sea Zone to 48 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 30 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 28 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands 2 infantry moved from Western United States to 11 Sea Zone 1 destroyer, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 11 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 3 transports moved from 30 Sea Zone to 11 Sea Zone 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 28 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 30 Sea Zone to Line Islands 2 infantry moved from 28 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 6 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco 2 bombers moved from 95 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 bomber moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 fighter moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 113 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 3 carriers and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco Place Units - Americans 1 airfield placed in Morocco 1 destroyer placed in 113 Sea Zone 1 submarine placed in 108 Sea Zone 2 submarines placed in 11 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 5 infantry placed in Western United States 1 fighter placed in Eastern United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 57 PUs; end with 57 PUs Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 62 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 72 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 82 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kwangsi 1 fighter moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi 3 infantry moved from Shantung to Jehol Combat - Chinese Battle in Jehol Chinese attack with 3 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 3 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Jehol Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Jehol, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Jehol, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Jehol Chinese win, taking Jehol from Japanese with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Kwangsi Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Kwangsi, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kwangsi, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kwangsi 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kwangsi Chinese win, taking Kwangsi from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Chinese 15 infantry moved from Hunan to Kweichow 1 fighter moved from Kwangsi to Kweichow 1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Kweichow 1 artillery and 12 infantry moved from Shantung to Kiangsu Place Units - Chinese 2 infantry placed in Kweichow 1 infantry placed in Western Sinkiang 1 infantry placed in Northern Sinkiang 3 infantry placed in Kiangsi Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 23 PUs; end with 25 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 2 artilleries and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 2 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Northern Italy 2 armour, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt 1 infantry moved from Northeast Persia to Northwest Persia 1 artillery moved from Southern Persia to Northwest Persia Combat - British Battle in Northern Italy British attack with 2 fighters Italians defend with 1 aaGun and 1 factory_major Italians roll AA dice in Northern Italy : 2/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits 2 fighters owned by the British lost in Northern Italy Italians win with 1 aaGun remaining. Battle score for attacker is -20 Casualties for British: 2 fighters Battle in Egypt British attack with 2 armour, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Japanese defend with 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry British roll dice for 2 armour, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Egypt, round 2 : 2/9 hits, 2.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Egypt, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Egypt 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Egypt British roll dice for 2 armour, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Egypt, round 3 : 2/8 hits, 2.17 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Egypt, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Egypt 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Egypt British win, taking Egypt from Japanese with 2 armour, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for British: 2 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 2 artilleries and 1 infantry Battle in Northwest Persia British attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Italians defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Northwest Persia British win, taking Northwest Persia from Italians with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - British 1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan 4 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 113 Sea Zone 2 destroyers, 4 infantry and 2 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 aaGun and 2 fighters moved from Shantung to Kiangsu Place Units - British 3 infantry placed in Iraq 2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Southern Persia 5 infantry placed in United Kingdom Turn Complete - British Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 82 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,3 British collect 29 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 29 PUs Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 32 PUs Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 1.33 Americans regular : -0.50 Italians regular : -0.83 Japanese regular : 2.17 Germans regular : -0.17 British regular : -0.17 Italians AA : 1.67
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@peirce Oooof. These dice are becoming insurmountable.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 15
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory
Game History
Round: 15 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Northwest Persia 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux Combat - Italians Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Italians attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry British defend with 2 aaGuns and 1 infantry; Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 aaGuns and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Normandy Bordeaux 1 aaGun owned by the British lost in Normandy Bordeaux Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 aaGun and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 4 : 3/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 aaGun and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 aaGun owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Normandy Bordeaux Italians win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Americans with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 2 aaGuns and 1 infantry Battle in Northwest Persia Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry British defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Northwest Persia Italians win, taking Northwest Persia from British with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 1 infantry moved from Northern Caucasus to Southern Caucasus 1 fighter moved from Greece to Southern Italy 1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy 1 armour moved from Southern France to Southern Italy 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy Place Units - Italians 2 fighters and 1 mech_infantry placed in Southern Italy 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Southern France Turn Complete - Italians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 108 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,3 Italians collect 17 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 17 PUs Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 19 PUs Objective Italians 5 Control Convoy Lanes: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 22 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.00 Italians regular : 1.00 British regular : -1.33
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@mikawagunichi Yeah, that double aa hit in N. Italy was brutal.
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: French round 15
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory
Game History
Round: 15 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC repair damage of 1x harbour; Remaining resources: 8 PUs; ANZAC buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland Place Units - ANZAC 2 infantry placed in New South Wales Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 9 PUs; end with 11 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 14 PUs Combat Move - French Non Combat Move - French 1 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom Turn Complete - French
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 16
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory
Game History
Round: 16 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 3 artilleries, 4 fighters and 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Trigger Germans 6 Atlantic Wall Established Switch: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_Germans_6_Atlantic_Wall_Possible_Switch attached to Germans Combat Move - Germans 1 bomber moved from Leningrad to 113 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Leningrad to Eastern Poland 1 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Eastern Poland 1 fighter moved from France to 113 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Urals Germans take Urals from Russians 4 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Western Sinkiang 13 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Iraq 1 armour moved from Western India to Baluchistan 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Caucasus to Baluchistan 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Western Sinkiang 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Rostov to Tambov Combat - Germans Battle in Tambov Germans attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Tambov, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Tambov, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Tambov 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Tambov Germans win, taking Tambov from Russians with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in 113 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 2 submarines Americans defend with 1 destroyer Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 113 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 113 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 113 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 113 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 113 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 113 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 113 Sea Zone, round 5 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 113 Sea Zone, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 113 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 113 Sea Zone Germans win with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Battle in Western Sinkiang Germans attack with 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Chinese defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Western Sinkiang, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 2.50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Sinkiang, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Western Sinkiang 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Western Sinkiang Germans win, taking Western Sinkiang from Chinese with 1 armour, 4 artilleries and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Baluchistan Germans attack with 1 armour, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in Baluchistan, round 2 : 4/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Baluchistan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Baluchistan Germans win, taking Baluchistan from UK_Pacific with 1 armour, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Iraq Germans attack with 13 armour and 1 mech_infantry British defend with 1 aaGun, 1 factory_minor and 3 infantry Germans roll dice for 13 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 8/14 hits, 6.83 expected hits British roll dice for 1 aaGun and 3 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Iraq 1 aaGun owned by the British and 3 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq Germans win, taking Iraq from British with 13 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry Casualties for British: 1 aaGun and 3 infantry Battle in Eastern Poland Germans attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Eastern Poland Germans win, taking Eastern Poland from Russians with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Trigger Germans Destroy Factories Urals: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Germans in Urals Non Combat Move - Germans Trigger Urals Has Fallen to Germans Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Urals_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed attached to Germans 1 fighter moved from France to Southern Italy 4 fighters moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy 6 fighters moved from 115 Sea Zone to Southern Italy 1 destroyer moved from 115 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy 3 armour moved from Holland Belgium to Austria 1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Poland to Western Germany 1 aaGun moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany 1 aaGun moved from Southern France to Northern Italy 1 aaGun moved from France to Southern France 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to France 1 armour moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary 4 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 1 bomber moved from 113 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Northern Belarus 1 infantry moved from Vologda to Novgorod 1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Kazakhstan 5 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Southern Caucasus 4 armour moved from Stalingrad to Southern Caucasus 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Baluchistan to Western India 1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Kursk 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov 1 aaGun and 2 artilleries moved from Stalingrad to Rostov 1 fighter moved from 113 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux Place Units - Germans 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Leningrad 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine 3 fighters placed in 115 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 4 infantry placed in Germany 3 infantry placed in Western Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 64 PUs; end with 64 PUs Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 67 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 75 PUs Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 77 PUs Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 82 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 92 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 0.67 Americans regular : -0.33 UK_Pacific regular : -0.33 Russians regular : 0.33 Germans regular : -3.33 British regular : 0.00
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Russians round 16
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory
Game History
Round: 16 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 1 artillery and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 2 infantry moved from Samara to Urals 2 tactical_bombers moved from Samara to Urals 1 infantry moved from Samara to Saratov Russians take Saratov from Germans 1 infantry moved from Samara to Kazakhstan 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Kazakhstan 6 artilleries and 18 infantry moved from Samara to Stalingrad Combat - Russians Battle in Urals Russians attack with 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Urals, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Urals, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Urals Russians win, taking Urals from Germans with 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Kazakhstan Russians attack with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Kazakhstan 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Kazakhstan Russians win with 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Stalingrad Russians attack with 6 artilleries and 18 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 6 artilleries and 18 infantry in Stalingrad, round 2 : 11/24 hits, 6.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Stalingrad, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Stalingrad 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Stalingrad Russians win, taking Stalingrad from Germans with 6 artilleries and 17 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 2 tactical_bombers moved from Urals to Russia 1 artillery and 8 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kazakhstan to Russia 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Komi to Yenisey Place Units - Russians 1 artillery and 7 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 22 PUs; end with 22 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 25 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 1.00 Russians regular : 4.33
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TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 16
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory
Game History
Round: 16 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 9 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Malaya to 132 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 132 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 armour moved from Central India to Southern Persia 3 armour moved from Western India to Southern Persia 1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern India to 40 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 40 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 82 Sea Zone to Southern Persia 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Western India to 81 Sea Zone 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 81 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 82 Sea Zone to Southern Persia 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western India to Southern Persia 2 fighters moved from Italian Somaliland to Southern Persia 1 armour moved from Siberia to Sakha Japanese take Sakha from Russians 1 armour moved from Sakha to Amur 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Siberia to 5 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 5 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Jehol 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Jehol 1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Japan to 49 Sea Zone 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 36 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone 5 carriers moved from 36 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 59 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 36 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Davao to 49 Sea Zone 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 7 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 7 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Davao to 36 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 24 Sea Zone to Wake Island 1 destroyer moved from 17 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 7 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Davao to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 34 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone Combat - Japanese Battle in Wake Island Battle in Southern Persia Japanese attack with 4 armour, 3 artilleries, 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 9 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 9 infantry Japanese roll dice for 4 armour, 3 artilleries, 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Southern Persia, round 2 : 7/15 hits, 6.83 expected hits British roll dice for 9 artilleries and 9 infantry in Southern Persia, round 2 : 7/18 hits, 6.00 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the Japanese, 3 artilleries owned by the Japanese and 1 armour owned by the Japanese lost in Southern Persia 7 infantry owned by the British lost in Southern Persia Japanese roll dice for 3 armour, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in Southern Persia, round 3 : 4/8 hits, 4.33 expected hits British roll dice for 9 artilleries and 2 infantry in Southern Persia, round 3 : 4/11 hits, 3.67 expected hits 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Japanese and 3 armour owned by the Japanese lost in Southern Persia 2 artilleries owned by the British and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Southern Persia 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Japanese and 3 fighters owned by the Japanese retreated British win, taking Wake Island from Americans with 7 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is -20 Casualties for Japanese: 4 armour, 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Casualties for British: 2 artilleries and 9 infantry Battle in 49 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 7 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 2 carriers, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters and 2 transports Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 7 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 49 Sea Zone, round 2 : 7/12 hits, 6.50 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 carriers, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters and 2 transports in 49 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/8 hits, 3.67 expected hits 4 fighters owned by the Japanese and 1 bomber owned by the Japanese lost in 49 Sea Zone 2 destroyers owned by the Americans, 2 carriers owned by the Americans and 1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in 49 Sea Zone Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 49 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/7 hits, 4.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 3 fighters and 2 transports in 49 Sea Zone, round 3 : 3/3 hits, 2.00 expected hits 2 tactical_bombers owned by the Japanese and 1 bomber owned by the Japanese lost in 49 Sea Zone 2 fighters owned by the Americans lost in 49 Sea Zone Japanese roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 49 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 transports in 49 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in 49 Sea Zone 2 transports owned by the Americans lost in 49 Sea Zone Japanese win with 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16 Casualties for Japanese: 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers Casualties for Americans: 2 carriers, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters and 2 transports Battle in 34 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 6 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 submarines and 1 transport Americans defend with 1 destroyer Japanese roll dice for 2 submarines in 34 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 34 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Japanese 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 34 Sea Zone Japanese win with 6 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 submarines and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Battle in Caroline Islands Battle in Jehol Japanese attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry Chinese defend with 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Jehol 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Jehol Japanese roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Jehol, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Jehol, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Jehol Japanese win, taking Caroline Islands from Americans, taking Jehol from Chinese with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry Battle in Kwangsi Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Kwangsi, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kwangsi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kwangsi Japanese win, taking Kwangsi from Chinese with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 49 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Davao to 36 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 24 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Shan State to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Persia to Iraq 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 83 Sea Zone to Southern Italy 2 fighters moved from Kenya to Iraq 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 3 transports moved from 83 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Union of South Africa to Tanganyika Territory 1 submarine moved from 82 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 7 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Eastern India to Western India 1 infantry moved from Western India to Baluchistan 1 artillery moved from Central India to Western India Place Units - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 82 Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 74 Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 artillery and 2 fighters placed in French Indo China 3 infantry placed in Malaya 3 infantry placed in Eastern India 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 transport placed in 7 Sea Zone 3 infantry placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 60 PUs; end with 60 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs Objective Japanese 5 Pacific Airfields: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 78 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : -0.33 Americans regular : 2.33 Japanese regular : -2.50 British regular : 1.33
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: UK_Pacific round 16
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory
Game History
Round: 16 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 4 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 107 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta 3 bombers moved from Morocco to Malta 1 fighter moved from 93 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone 6 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Morocco to 107 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 28 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 48 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 55 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Western Australia to Northern Australia ANZAC take Northern Australia from Japanese 1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 50 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 55 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 55 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 55 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Battle in 56 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 56 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 56 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 56 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 56 Sea Zone Americans win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer Battle in 107 Sea Zone Americans attack with 8 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers Germans defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 107 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 8 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 107 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/10 hits, 5.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 107 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in 107 Sea Zone Americans win with 8 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer Battle in 50 Sea Zone Americans attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 50 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 50 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 50 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 50 Sea Zone Americans win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer Battle in 47 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 47 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 47 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 47 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 47 Sea Zone Americans win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer Battle in Malta Americans attack with 3 bombers and 2 infantry Italians defend with 1 airfield and 1 artillery Americans roll dice for 3 bombers and 2 infantry in Malta, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Malta, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Malta Americans win, taking Malta from Italians with 3 bombers and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery Non Combat Move - Americans 3 bombers moved from Malta to Morocco 4 carriers, 4 destroyers and 5 transports moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 107 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 6 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 107 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to Morocco 2 fighters moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 destroyer moved from 123 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Line Islands to 30 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Line Islands to 30 Sea Zone 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 30 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 55 Sea Zone to Queensland 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 56 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 47 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 50 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 55 Sea Zone to Queensland 1 submarine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 59 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands 1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Western United States to 11 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 5 infantry and 3 transports moved from 11 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from 11 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from 28 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands Place Units - Americans 3 transports placed in 104 Sea Zone 1 carrier placed in 104 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 4 infantry placed in Central United States 1 destroyer placed in 11 Sea Zone 2 fighters placed in Western United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 55 PUs; end with 55 PUs Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 60 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 70 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 75 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 80 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese Combat - Chinese Non Combat Move - Chinese 1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Szechwan 1 artillery and 12 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe 1 fighter moved from Kweichow to Kiangsi Place Units - Chinese 4 infantry placed in Eastern Sinkiang 3 infantry placed in Kweichow 1 infantry placed in Hunan Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 20 PUs; end with 21 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 7 artilleries moved from Southern Persia to Northwest Persia 1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Kenya British take Kenya from Japanese Combat - British Battle in Northwest Persia British attack with 7 artilleries Italians defend with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry British roll dice for 7 artilleries in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 2.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the British lost in Northwest Persia 1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians and 1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Northwest Persia British roll dice for 6 artilleries in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 0/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the British lost in Northwest Persia British roll dice for 5 artilleries in Northwest Persia, round 4 : 4/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Northwest Persia, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Northwest Persia British win, taking Northwest Persia from Italians with 5 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for British: 2 artilleries Casualties for Italians: 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry Non Combat Move - British 1 aaGun, 3 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt 1 destroyer moved from 94 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Morocco 1 aaGun moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe 2 fighters moved from Kiangsu to Eastern Sinkiang Place Units - British 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Egypt 2 fighters placed in United Kingdom Turn Complete - British Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 82 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2 British collect 30 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 30 PUs Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -1.83 Italians regular : -0.67 Japanese regular : 2.00 Germans regular : -0.33 British regular : -0.00
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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 16
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory
Game History
Round: 16 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 destroyer, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians Non Combat Move - Italians 1 infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Northern Caucasus 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France Place Units - Italians 1 destroyer placed in 113 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Southern Italy 1 infantry placed in Northern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 19 PUs; end with 19 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: French round 16
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory
Game History
Round: 16 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 2 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland Non Combat Move - ANZAC Place Units - ANZAC 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in New South Wales 1 transport placed in 64 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 14 PUs Combat Move - French Turn Complete - French
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 17
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory
Game History
Round: 17 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 8 infantry and 6 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Southern Belarus Germans take Southern Belarus from Russians 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Yaroslavl Germans take Yaroslavl from Russians 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Germany to 116 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 116 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Scotland 1 destroyer moved from 113 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Normandy Bordeaux to United Kingdom 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom 3 fighters moved from 115 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 11 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan Germans take Syria from British Germans take Trans-Jordan from British 1 armour moved from Baluchistan to Southern Persia Germans take Southern Persia from British 12 armour moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western India to Northwest Persia 1 armour, 4 artilleries and 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Sinkiang to Urals Combat - Germans Air Battle in United Kingdom Germans attacks with 8 units heading to United Kingdom Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets Strategic bombing raid in United Kingdom British roll AA dice in United Kingdom : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits British roll AA dice in United Kingdom : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Bombing raid in United Kingdom rolls: 4 and causes: 4 damage to unit: factory_major Bombing raid in United Kingdom rolls: 1 and causes: 1 damage to unit: airfield Bombing raid in United Kingdom causes 5 damage total. Damaged units is as follows: factory_major = 4, airfield = 1 Battle in Scotland Battle in 96 Sea Zone Germans attack with 11 fighters British defend with 1 destroyer; Americans defend with 1 transport Germans roll dice for 11 fighters in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 8/11 hits, 5.50 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 96 Sea Zone Germans win, taking Scotland from British with 11 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Casualties for Americans: 1 transport Battle in 107 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine Americans defend with 1 submarine Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 107 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 107 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 107 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 107 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 107 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 107 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 107 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 107 Sea Zone Germans win with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine Battle in Urals Germans attack with 1 armour, 4 artilleries and 1 mech_infantry Russians defend with 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 4 artilleries and 1 mech_infantry in Urals, round 2 : 4/6 hits, 2.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Urals, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Urals Germans win, taking Urals from Russians with 1 armour, 4 artilleries and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry Battle in Northwest Persia Germans attack with 12 armour, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 5 artilleries Germans roll dice for 12 armour, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 9/15 hits, 7.67 expected hits British roll dice for 5 artilleries in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Northwest Persia 5 artilleries owned by the British lost in Northwest Persia Germans win, taking Northwest Persia from British with 11 armour, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14 Casualties for Germans: 1 armour Casualties for British: 5 artilleries Cleaning up after air battles Non Combat Move - Germans 9 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Rostov 2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Tambov to Rostov 1 infantry moved from Kursk to Rostov 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov 1 fighter moved from Leningrad to Ukraine 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northwest Persia to Southern Caucasus 1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Western Ukraine 4 armour moved from Northern Belarus to Western Ukraine 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Vologda 1 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Novgorod 1 artillery moved from Northern Belarus to Leningrad 2 aaGuns, 23 artilleries and 39 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Baltic States 1 aaGun moved from Northern Belarus to Leningrad 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus 1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Western Germany to 115 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 4 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Scotland 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 115 Sea Zone 5 artilleries moved from France to Western Germany 1 fighter moved from 115 Sea Zone to Western Germany 4 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 114 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from United Kingdom to 115 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from France to Western Germany 2 armour moved from Austria to Western Germany 1 armour moved from Austria to Southern Italy 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy 1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy 7 infantry moved from France to Western Germany 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Western Germany 2 fighters moved from 96 Sea Zone to Southern Italy 1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Southern Italy 8 fighters moved from 96 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux 1 mech_infantry moved from France to Southern France 1 aaGun moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux Place Units - Germans 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 6 transports placed in 115 Sea Zone 2 artilleries placed in Western Germany 3 infantry placed in Leningrad Germans undo move 3. 3 infantry placed in Iraq 3 infantry placed in Ukraine 2 infantry placed in Leningrad Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 69 PUs; end with 69 PUs Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 72 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 80 PUs Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 86 PUs Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 91 PUs Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 96 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -0.67 British AA : -0.33 Russians regular : -0.67 Germans regular : 5.00 British regular : -0.67
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Russians round 17
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory
Game History
Round: 17 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 1 artillery and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Yaroslavl 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Russia to Yaroslavl 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Yaroslavl 18 artilleries and 55 infantry moved from Smolensk to Novgorod 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Yenisey to Buryatia Russians take Buryatia from Japanese 1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Kazakhstan Russians take Kazakhstan from Germans 1 infantry moved from Saratov to Tambov Russians take Tambov from Germans Combat - Russians Battle in Novgorod Russians attack with 18 artilleries and 55 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 18 artilleries and 55 infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 20/73 hits, 18.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Novgorod Russians win, taking Novgorod from Germans with 18 artilleries and 55 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Yaroslavl Russians attack with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Yaroslavl, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 3.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Yaroslavl, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Yaroslavl 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Yaroslavl Russians win with 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from Russia to Samara 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Smolensk to Samara 4 aaGuns moved from Smolensk to Novgorod 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Yaroslavl to Stalingrad Place Units - Russians 1 artillery and 7 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 21 PUs; end with 21 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 24 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 0.33 Russians regular : -0.83
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TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 17
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory
Game History
Round: 17 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 armour, 5 artilleries, 2 fighters, 9 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 unit repaired. 1 artillery moved from Jehol to Shantung Japanese take Shantung from Chinese 2 infantry moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Kwangtung 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung Japanese take Kwangtung from UK_Pacific 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Jehol to 20 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Amur to Northern Manchuria 1 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsu 1 armour moved from Tanganyika Territory to South West Africa Japanese take South West Africa from British 1 submarine moved from 59 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone Combat - Japanese Battle in Kwangtung Battle in Kiangsu Non Combat Move - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing ownership of Ceylon from UK_Pacific to Japanese EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 submarine moved from 40 Sea Zone to 59 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Eastern India to Burma 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western India to Eastern India 1 infantry moved from Baluchistan to 82 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 5 transports moved from 82 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 40 Sea Zone to Ceylon 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to Eastern India 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Southern Persia 1 aaGun, 5 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi 1 infantry moved from Shan State to Yunnan 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 132 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Malaya to 132 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 132 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 34 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 34 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 34 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 4 carriers moved from 34 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from 34 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from French Indo China to 21 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from 5 Sea Zone to Amur 1 carrier moved from 7 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 34 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Kwangtung 1 carrier moved from 34 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 21 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 34 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 7 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State 1 artillery moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi 1 tactical_bomber moved from 34 Sea Zone to Davao 1 carrier moved from 34 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 7 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 24 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 24 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 20 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese 1 artillery and 2 fighters placed in French Indo China 3 artilleries placed in Eastern India Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 74 Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 73 Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Union of South Africa 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Malaya 6 infantry placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 59 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,2 Japanese collect 63 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 63 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 66 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs Objective Japanese 5 Pacific Airfields: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 76 PUs Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 81 PUs
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@peirce Iβm gonna go ahead and concede here, donβt see any way to turn the tables at this point.
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@mikawagunichi I got some good dice at the right time, and they were real whacky the whole way through. Thanks for the game! Let me know if youβd like to play another.
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@peirce Yeah the dice were rough but you came out firing with a good strategy. Life is a bit busy at the moment so not ready to start another one immediately, but I will ping you in a couple weeks or so.