A lot of posters seemed stunned at this scenario, never scene it ever happen or even could happen. Now that I mulled it over last night and looked at the rules and so forth it is very obvious to me why no one has ever scene this scenario. Because the scenario makes no logical sense.
Italy DOW on Russia and moves in 2 tanks into Eastern Poland.
Russia is now at war with Italy and can DOW on Germany at the start of their next turn, turn 3.
Germany on Turn 3 does not DOW on Russia and just non combats into Eastern Poland.
Russia at the start of Turn 3 DOW on Germany and off we go.There is no logical reason why Russia would not DOW on Germany at the start of Turn 3, none.
Heck you could argue that it makes no logical sense that Germany did not DOW on Russia at the start of G3 since Italy brought Russia into the war and Russia WILL DOW on Germany on R3.
Hi PainState,
From my perspective, if I was planning on doing a G3 Barbarossa AND I wanted to drive towards the south, then yes, it makes sense to not DOW. My stack will be together except for the minimum required mobile units and maybe 1 AAA in Poland so Russia doesn’t attack Poland to get their NO for occupying an Axis territory. But E. Poland will be real strong because the German air will be there and maybe bombers will also be in range of a raid on the Moscow factory. Also, 5 IPCs is more income than I’d probably get as Germany on the 1st turn.
There are a few disadvantages of course. 1, Russian blockers can’t be attacked. 2, the Scandinavian units are behind. But for me that’s ok, I just use them to lay siege anyways. I never expect to get Moscow on turn 6 anymore. I assume that the UK/Anzac and that lone French fighter are going to get to Moscow.Â
Norway, a knife at Germany's Throat
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I am sold on Norway as being the goal for Allied landings in Fortress Europa.
The benefits are many for the Allies.
- Denies Axis 8 ipcs, immediately. More later.
- Allied planes can threaten Germ proper and the Baltic Szones.
- Finland is next on the menu and Being in Scandinavia the threat of German counterattack is low.
4.Takes Italian forces out of the equation mostly. - Biggest reason, with AF and Harbor the Allies can threaten St.Petesburg and better support Moscow by ferrying Fighters over in 1 turn.
- Lastly, Germans best invest extremely heavy in both W Germ and Berlin defense. The opportunities for a one-two …USA then Brit strike are limitless.
- Every German point spent on Fortress Europa helps save Ivan in Moscow.
The hardest part of this Strat is a good Japan player may be able to win on that side of the map. Thankfully, good Japanese players are very rare. But they are out there.
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Yeah, Norway is mu biggest fear as a German player. Good luck if the US builds a minor industrial complex and spams 3 tanks a turn. You’d better have an advantage in the Pacific or the Mediterranean to survive that army.
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If the axis dont have a baltic fleet you could even go there with russian forces, could suicide UK units to remove the germans mostly. Taking it with russia removes 10german ipcs and adds 11 russia ipcs. Thats a 7 inf difference each round.
It does take away some initial forces from the defence of moscow but you can ferry UK and US planes faster and you build them back pretty fast.
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@Galendae
Sound thinking - any new front puts pressure on Germany, but one that complicates the counterattack logistics is even better, let alone one that also takes away a National Objective bonus.When playing on the Europe only map, I’ve found this to be a nice way to pull the rug out from under an Axis advance through the Middle east, as it puts pressure on Berlin, and the Baltic area VC’s, as well as opening routes for nuisance blitzes through northern Soviet territories or liberating Moscow. In tandem with a US strike at Rome, it leaves some German units in western Europe flatfooted, needing to remain to prevent the UK from shifting to a mainland invasion, while dividing Germany’s focus on the Eastern front.
All in all, I agree, Norway is an effective barb for the Allies.
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One additional point:
Norway is 5 territories away from Berlin. Without a Baltic fleet the Germans will have to use valuable fast units to break the Anglo-American forces there. This also means that, since it’ll take some time for German forces to reach Norway, they’ll have to commit way more than might be necessary in case the Western Allies go all in on reinforcing Scandinavia well. With Western Europe, German industrial complexes are much closer, so there’s much less range and uncertainty over how much would be needed to repulse the Allies. It’s the same reason why the Balkans can be so deadly.
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@SuperbattleshipYamato I disagree on the Balkans, it is certainly not the threat of Norway. I sigh relief if the Allied opponent invades Greece. IMHO, Dead End.
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Really? I find it’s really hard for the Axis forces to move south there, the sea zone for Greece is pretty hard to reach for aircraft from Germany (and if they’re based in Italy they probably aren’t contributing in more important theaters), and they can severely disable Germany’s Eastern Front. Greece allows a minor industrial complex.
Keep in mind I’m talking about Allied opportunities after the US enters the war and if the Axis are vanquished in North Africa and the Middle East. I’m not saying a turn 1 British move there is a good idea (probably a pretty bad one, actually).
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@Galendae Try bulking it up. If you have extra resources maybe put up a god army there…
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@FranceNeedsMorePower I am a God.
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@Galendae opps no I meant good. Sorry. Forgive my spelling.
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