I would think long and hard before adopting this strategy. If the Russian player buys 7 bombers over the first 5 Turns all they are doing is guaranteeing an Axis victory.
No smart Axis player is going to build the Romanian Major Factory. This strategy, known as the Romanian Rush, provides for a greater G6 attack on Moscow. However, it actually provides a weaker G7 attack so most players will not use this strategy.
If you want Russia to be aggressive buying 4 infantry, versus 1 bomber, provides more offensive firepower than 1 bomber does.
A smart German player is not going to split their main attack so having bombers to “pick off a second area” is worthless.
A smart German player is not buying tanks. They are buying infantry + artillery on Turn 1, then lots of mechanized infantry and some tanks the rest of the time.
Having 7 bombers on defense versus 28 infantry is self explanatory as to why that is a bad idea.
Who doesn’t love a Russian strat bomber or two?
Spending the equivalent of 20 infantry on five strat bombers is insanity if you want Russia to live until turn 10 or so. Every single infantry matters.
I do see advantage to Russia having a strat bomber – combined with a fighter, it could actually slow down Germany’s approach to and assault on Moscow by using strategic bombing against German-held ICs in Leningrad and Ukraine, forcing Germany to spend extra money to build units there that can be pumped into the offensive against Moscow.
If Germany tries to thwart this strategy by positioning fighters to protect those ICs, Germany then has to spend money building those fighters so as not to deplete the air cover for Western Europe. (Wait, you say, Russia has fighters – true, but if Russia loses them they can’t afford to replace them.)
There are two problems with this idea that I see:
Personally, I would stick with the infantry. A UK bomber can be escorted by UK fighters that have a meaningful chance of either forcing the German player to just accept strat bombing damage or to potentially trade German fighters for UK fighters (always a good deal for Russia).
The UK can’t reliably get infantry and other ground forces to Moscow. They CAN reliably send fighters and strat bombers. Infantry are better produced locally, and by buying strat bombers you’re weakening the very core of your Russian defense.
Marsh
the purpose of this strategy, besides being heretical, was to try to develop something where Russia could stand alone without the allies coming to the rescue. And I actually bought six bombers. 3 bombers, 1 bomber 10 inf, 1 bomber 10 inf, 1 bomber 9 inf.
All those bombers performed several functions that altered how Germany wanted to get to Moscow.
For all future games I will at least be doing a version of Red Skies. Buying 3 SB’s turn one every time.
I rolled this strategy two different ways.
Germany buying 10 tanks for Romania G2. Germany got wiped out just outside of Moscow.
Germany buying 10 inf for Romania, and 5 tanks for Berlin. Didn’t alter Russian response. Germany won this battle with 2 tanks remaining.
Infantry is the most important unit in this game.
Anyway, I just love having fun coming up with new strategies I haven’t seen before. Some work better than others. I roll them out and see if there is any merit to them. Youtube gets to see my failures too. I just finished a series for Japan strategy I shared here last night.
And I actually bought six bombers. 3 bombers, 1 bomber 10 inf, 1 bomber 10 inf, 1 bomber 9 inf.
I already stated this idea was not a good one. However, I am curious as to your purchases.
How is Russia buying as stated by you above?
R1 = $36 - save 1
R2 = $42 (Russia can only have a maximum of $38 if not at war)
R3 = $42
R4 = $39
All of the above is more money than Russia collects unless Germany is attacking on G1, not sending a warship to SZ125 and not taking any territory. If that is the case, then your strategy, while already heavily flawed, depends on a 2 year old being your opponent.
@AndrewAAGamer
I played Germany super aggressive- (Cobra Kai route) to see if Red Skies would work against a determined Germany. Germany attacked on G1. so 37, 42, 42, 40 (may be off a dollar on last one but still 1 SB, 9 inf). Everyone raves about Cobra Kai so I did that. No idea how strategy would hold up on the northern route.
When I decide on a strategy I stick with it. I sacrificed a tank on R2 to take back Bessarabia and give Moscow one extra turn to stack up.
With this strategy, one option you have is to pull out all your bombers (maybe a tank?) when Germany is one space away - then bring them back in with the Siberian troops to take Moscow back next turn and cripple Germany for at least a few turns.
@AndrewAAGamer said in Red Skies:
If that is the case, then your strategy, while already heavily flawed, depends on a 2 year old being your opponent.
I am always up for a game. I will even use some of my strategies against you.
Germany attacked on G1. so 37, 42, 42, 40
Why, may I ask, is Russia collecting $42 on R1 with Germany attacking on G1?
Germany puts a sub in SZ125. Takes Baltic States and Eastern Poland. At best Russia is going to take back Baltic Sates. That gives Russia $36.
are you dumb? 37 is not 42
3 bombers = $36
1 bomber, 10 inf = $42
1 bomber, 10 inf = $42
1 bomber, 9 inf = $39
Yeah, magical mystical sub can to to SZ125
I spent every Germany dollar on tanks and SB’s, and nothing else until G5 (which some inf thrown in with any extra dollars). Buying a sub to send up there takes one tank off of Eastern Front. I played Germany as ferocious offensive juggernaut to see if Red Skies could hold them off. And I went cobra kai so ignored Baltic/East Poland.
Luckily I was able to destroy the 2 year old I was playing against. He was way better at the game than you.
are you dumb? 37 is not 42
3 bombers = $36
1 bomber, 10 inf = $42
1 bomber, 10 inf = $42
1 bomber, 9 inf = $39
Yeah, magical mystical sub can to to SZ125
I spent every Germany dollar on tanks and SB’s, and nothing else until G5 (which some inf thrown in with any extra dollars). Buying a sub to send up there takes one tank off of Eastern Front. I played Germany as ferocious offensive juggernaut to see if Red Skies could hold them off. And I went cobra kai so ignored Baltic/East Poland.
Luckily I was able to destroy the 2 year old I was playing against. He was way better at the game than you.
Russia spends $36 on R1 because it starts the game with $37. By saving $1 and collecting $36 that gives them $37 for their R2 Purchases. So again, how are you getting $42?
Only by NOT moving the German sub, the magical mystical one you seem to be forgetting about, in SZ124, to SZ125.
All of your purchases are too high because you played Germany extremely poorly. And, even if they were correct, it wouldn’t matter. Spending $72 of Russian money on bombers instead of infantry is sheer lunacy.
are you dumb? 37 is not 42
3 bombers = $36
1 bomber, 10 inf = $42
1 bomber, 10 inf = $42
1 bomber, 9 inf = $39
Yeah, magical mystical sub can to to SZ125
I spent every Germany dollar on tanks and SB’s, and nothing else until G5 (which some inf thrown in with any extra dollars). Buying a sub to send up there takes one tank off of Eastern Front. I played Germany as ferocious offensive juggernaut to see if Red Skies could hold them off. And I went cobra kai so ignored Baltic/East Poland.
Luckily I was able to destroy the 2 year old I was playing against. He was way better at the game than you.
@dazedwit Your ad-hominem attacks are not appreciated. I know @AndrewAAGamer and he’s an amazing player, probably one of the best in the world. Before you get moderated before these personal attacks, I just wanted to warn you against them.
Marsh
@MarshmallowofWar said in Red Skies:
are you dumb? 37 is not 42
3 bombers = $36
1 bomber, 10 inf = $42
1 bomber, 10 inf = $42
1 bomber, 9 inf = $39
Yeah, magical mystical sub can to to SZ125
I spent every Germany dollar on tanks and SB’s, and nothing else until G5 (which some inf thrown in with any extra dollars). Buying a sub to send up there takes one tank off of Eastern Front. I played Germany as ferocious offensive juggernaut to see if Red Skies could hold them off. And I went cobra kai so ignored Baltic/East Poland.
Luckily I was able to destroy the 2 year old I was playing against. He was way better at the game than you.
@dazedwit Your ad-hominem attacks are not appreciated. I know @AndrewAAGamer and he’s an amazing player, probably one of the best in the world. Before you get moderated before these personal attacks, I just wanted to warn you against them.
Marsh
I’m sorry, why are you ignoring his PA’s on me. He’s been a complete dick to me in multiple threads. I’ve ignored him up until now. I’m just trying to have fun convos about the game we all love.
And don’t worry, since he didn’t accept my challenge to a game and acted like a dick again (and why I finally hit him back) I finally blocked him. He and one other guy seem to be following me around and acting like dicks for no reason. I’ve ignored them both until today. I’m surprised the other guy hasn’t shown up yet.
I’m sorry, why are you ignoring his PA’s on me. He’s been a complete dick to me in multiple threads. I’ve ignored him up until now. I’m just trying to have fun convos about the game we all love.
I would be shocked if @AndrewAAGamer had actually made a personal attack against you. You, on the other hand, have shown a deep immaturity and lack of experience in the game.
Disagreeing with your ideas is not disrespect. If he is disagreeing with your ideas, it’s because of the depth of his experience has taught him that your ideas are probably based on what works against inexperienced players.
And don’t worry, since he didn’t accept my challenge to a game and acted like a dick again (and why I finally hit him back) I finally blocked him. He and one other guy seem to be following me around and acting like dicks for no reason. I’ve ignored them both until today. I’m surprised the other guy hasn’t shown up yet.
I have no idea why he would accept your challenge. Inevitably he would defeat you and then you would almost certainly insist that you got “diced”. However, so far the only person I’ve seen acting disrespectably is you.
If you want to play a top tier player, improve your play. A good start to that would be listening to their opinions.
Marsh
@MarshmallowofWar said in Red Skies:
I’m sorry, why are you ignoring his PA’s on me. He’s been a complete dick to me in multiple threads. I’ve ignored him up until now. I’m just trying to have fun convos about the game we all love.
I would be shocked if @AndrewAAGamer had actually made a personal attack against you. You, on the other hand, have shown a deep immaturity and lack of experience in the game.
Disagreeing with your ideas is not disrespect. If he is disagreeing with your ideas, it’s because of the depth of his experience has taught him that your ideas are probably based on what works against inexperienced players.
And don’t worry, since he didn’t accept my challenge to a game and acted like a dick again (and why I finally hit him back) I finally blocked him. He and one other guy seem to be following me around and acting like dicks for no reason. I’ve ignored them both until today. I’m surprised the other guy hasn’t shown up yet.
I have no idea why he would accept your challenge. Inevitably he would defeat you and then you would almost certainly insist that you got “diced”. However, so far the only person I’ve seen acting disrespectably is you.
If you want to play a top tier player, improve your play. A good start to that would be listening to their opinions.
Marsh
Yeah, his last post to me was that I was playing against a two year old. Yeah, that’s not a pa.
Don’t bother replying. I was having a nice convo with you until now.
And I’m up for a game with anyone. I have complete confidence in my abilities in this game.
@MarshmallowofWar said in Red Skies:
I’m sorry, why are you ignoring his PA’s on me. He’s been a complete dick to me in multiple threads. I’ve ignored him up until now. I’m just trying to have fun convos about the game we all love.
I would be shocked if @AndrewAAGamer had actually made a personal attack against you. You, on the other hand, have shown a deep immaturity and lack of experience in the game.
Disagreeing with your ideas is not disrespect. If he is disagreeing with your ideas, it’s because of the depth of his experience has taught him that your ideas are probably based on what works against inexperienced players.
And don’t worry, since he didn’t accept my challenge to a game and acted like a dick again (and why I finally hit him back) I finally blocked him. He and one other guy seem to be following me around and acting like dicks for no reason. I’ve ignored them both until today. I’m surprised the other guy hasn’t shown up yet.
I have no idea why he would accept your challenge. Inevitably he would defeat you and then you would almost certainly insist that you got “diced”. However, so far the only person I’ve seen acting disrespectably is you.
If you want to play a top tier player, improve your play. A good start to that would be listening to their opinions.
Marsh
Yeah, his last post to me was that I was playing against a two year old. Yeah, that’s not a pa.
Don’t bother replying. I was having a nice convo with you until now.
And I’m up for a game with anyone. I have complete confidence in my abilities in this game.
Not sure what timezone you are in but im up for a game, would be fun to see how your strats work out when not playing against yourself.
Playing against yourself always leads to gaps because you cannot think of something you didnt think of.
I am on east coast (Massachusetts)
the Youtube wars of the pandemic were awesome. I was so excited to every day watch Hambone, GHG, and so on take their turns. I think we should bring those back. I know people play online and use battle calculators and what not - I just play the board game.
I’m just having fun trying to be creative as it makes the game even more exciting. It would be great to play against other humans.
I used to go into these solo games trying to play as most people would to see if strat works - I would post photos here and ask what would people do on UK turn or whatever… and always got no responses so just plowed ahead. I now go into each solo game starting with knowing the strategy and trying to stop it from turn one - live games I’d prob get at least a turn before they figure out the scope of strat and try to stop it
I am on east coast (Massachusetts)
the Youtube wars of the pandemic were awesome. I was so excited to every day watch Hambone, GHG, and so on take their turns. I think we should bring those back. I know people play online and use battle calculators and what not - I just play the board game.
Well online play just enables you to play more games against people from all over the world.
Otherwise your limited to who you know in your direct area. Most people i know wont go traveling for 4+ hours 1 way for a game.
Like I said, lets bring back the Youtube wars. Each country films their turn, uploads, next guy goes. I could play a ton of games online but I will lose interest 10 minutes in and check out. That’s just me. If it were Civ II I’d be up until 3 in the morning playing lol (wow that memory brings me back to 1997).
I think the last Youtube war I saw was 1914 beta test and that was super exciting watching the event cards being pulled - and Russian Revolution happening on earliest possible point because GHG rolled a 12. Communists getting such an early start turned them into a giant.
@AndrewAAGamer the game is different when you are first learning, and playing against yourself. Fun to try out radical ideas, especially when you are guaranteed victory regardless of the outcome.
I am glad to see new A&A.org members with so much energy and enthusiasm. The forum has been mostly dead for a few years without such folks posting “bold” ideas.
Like I said, lets bring back the Youtube wars. Each country films their turn, uploads, next guy goes. I could play a ton of games online but I will lose interest 10 minutes in and check out. That’s just me. If it were Civ II I’d be up until 3 in the morning playing lol (wow that memory brings me back to 1997).
I think the last Youtube war I saw was 1914 beta test and that was super exciting watching the event cards being pulled - and Russian Revolution happening on earliest possible point because GHG rolled a 12. Communists getting such an early start turned them into a giant.
It brings a lot of challenges though, first you have to video parts, then put them on youtube and then the rest also in parts.
Say for example you attack SZ110, then you have to first ask me if i want to scramble.
Then after you rolled your dice you have to ask me what units i want to lose. Sometimes its obvious what you want to lose but not always.
And you need to keep the board setup for a long period of time, i can keep a board up for 1 week maby 2 but thats it.
And you have to document and comment every move, on video its hard to figure out just how many units are where. Once you get over 20+ its harder to see.
So its much easier to just play via tripleA, i did that a lot of the time because travel makes real board just difficult.
Okay, you don’t want to play Youtube wars, and that’s fine.
I’ve watched many, many, people from this forum play the game this way with very little problem. They discuss on vid, “I had to call Garg and ask him if he wanted to scramble,” and such. Thanks to technology getting a hold of someone is easier than ever.
My wife went on vacation over a month ago. While she was gone I decided to break out G40 for first time in like 7 years or so. I set it up on the floor of the great room and dogs kept knocking pieces over. I assumed I would pack it up and send it back to the basement when wife returned. She actually suggested getting a table from garage and setting it up so dogs won’t knock over pieces.
So for over a month the game has been set up on table 12 feet from my work station so I’m basically staring at the board at least 10 hours a day (I WFH 50+ hours/wk). Having the board set up and staring at you every waking moment, you come up with ideas. So now every new idea I’m going to set it up and roll it and see how it works.
I joined this forum 6 years ago just to communicate with GHG better. Forum is pretty dead, but I’m so excited playing new strats by myself I’m sharing it here and hoping to get people active again.
I’m finally starting to get constructive criticism (which I’m looking for) instead of, “Try this strat and you will lose,” comments without any comment on the strat or what they would do different, etc.
Having the game set up next to my work station has put a ding in my productivity - prob an hour a day. But I work over 50 hours a week and only get paid for 40 so I’m okay with that.
