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@MadWaldi Japs are up
NML 1914 team game 16
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@FMErwinRommel Paris looks assured now that you have 25 rolls at plus 1 for the Art.
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@Witt Tech luck is a big factor in whether Paris holds or falls in G5. Barrage tech for G adds 15+ hits over 4 rounds of combat. If I had gotten mustard gas instead, the benefit would be less, depending on when I got it and how many gas that I built.
France could get a similar amount of defense if it got railway guns, depending on how many HGs it bought. France, getting propaganda on F1 would add 12 inf, but only 3 on F4. Bunkers would be taken out on first round, so only give 2 hits.
I’ve learned that building fast moving cav or gas in Berlin is more effective than buying another IC in Rhine, when the deadline is G5. -
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@Elrood is up as Austria, not Adam. Nice try Leo.
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I really struggled to do my go, as the batteries were going in thr mouse and I couldn’t open it.
Have bought a new one . Was very frustrating.
I make it that you have 97.7, wity 40 surviving.
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@Witt Yes, but we’ve never continued playing the game after Paris fell, and it would be interesting to see how the game turned out.
Has anyone played a game where Paris fell and continued the game to see if Entente could still win?
Annual income for both sides would be equal and production would be close.
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@FMErwinRommel it is impossible to win , without France and its 60 income .
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@FMErwinRommel If you really wanted to do that, FM, you should have volunteered to play France.
In any case, more interesting would be to revert to an adjustment that made the capture of Paris more difficult. After much experience of the game we used to do this. Then you joined us, FM, and were keen to stop it following a game in which my F survived. But, as I said at the time, it really was touch and go, despite the pro-French adjustment, which I think might have been the Industry tech.
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And Germany getting France’s income , means a fleet can be built that can better Britain’s Channel one . Britain’s can’t then build to hold against Turkey and Germany will take all of France and probably Rome, especially with Cav that can move 3.
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All that talk of winning… guys… I do not even know the win conditions or have seen them achieved by any side. Usually someone (Witt) is preaching gloom and doom and then the game is forfeit.
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@Elrood like you would play the Entente under these conditions. We know how you hate to lose!
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@Witt The whole game mod is lopsided. I do not believe it can be fixed with the limited tools we have.
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I have said how France needs IPropaganda and how Germany should be given an IC in the East. Perhaps , Britain could have a Naval Tech or a couple of DDs.
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@Witt It would mean that Germany has even more to build against France, lest they get oveerun eventually, and has no income left for that eastern IC…
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@Witt You only want to see Germany suffer a pointless struggle, like in your Global40 - 1943 mod :-P
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@Elrood I want to see Germany defeated , yes, crushed into pieces and as small as Belgium .
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Usually, G doesn’t go all out and France survives and then becomes very strong. And USA busies itself with conquering Central America and Spain before seriously helping in Europe. Then G is tied up defending against F, UK and USA.
I like the idea of not making it all about Paris but rather balancing out the rest of the global battlefield.
What if G got a small bonus bid to place extra starting units in Pacific or maybe Africa, but that couldn’t be used in Europe, and couldn’t build anything in Berlin until G3? So, no massive cav or gas builds in Berlin on G1 or G2. Merckle could still build 6 units, but G might choose to build navy or transports for Scand. Then F wouldn’t need or get any bonus bid. G might have to go defensive on Western Front.
Then Pacific could become a more balanced and bigger theater of operation. Although not historically accurate. -
We’re getting ahead of ourselves. Let’s continue the game until Paris actually falls.
@Witt The game map de-emphasizes the Eastern Front. It’s up to Austria, Turkey and Commies to take out R. We’ve had some great struggles in central Africa between G and UK. The Pacific has potential if we push G in that direction. -
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Test summary from TripleA, engine version: 2.7.14934, time: 20:13:15
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TripleA Turn Summary: Austria round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Domination 1914 No Man’s Land
Game History
Round: 4 Research Technology - Austria Austria spend 5 on tech rolls Austria roll 4,6,6,4 and gets 2 hits Austria removing all Technology Tokens after successful research. Austria discover workingWomen Combat Move - Austria 1 infantry moved from Belgrade to Bulgaria Austria take Bulgaria from Serbia 1 field_gun moved from Serbia to Albania 1 infantry moved from Serbia to Albania 1 fighter moved from Trieste to Sea Zone 62 Adriatic Sea 1 heavy_gun moved from Serbia to Albania 1 field_gun moved from Venice to Milan 4 infantry moved from Tyrol to Milan 3 field_guns and 4 infantry moved from Belgrade to Romania 1 fighter moved from Galicia to Romania Purchase Units - Austria Austria buy 4 heavy_guns and 21 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; Combat - Austria Battle in Sea Zone 62 Adriatic Sea Austria attack with 1 fighter France defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the France lost in Sea Zone 62 Adriatic Sea Austria win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for France: 1 transport Battle in Milan Austria attack with 1 field_gun and 4 infantry Italy defend with 1 field_gun and 1 infantry Austria roll dice for 1 field_gun and 4 infantry in Milan, round 2 : 0/5 hits, 1,17 expected hits Italy roll dice for 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Milan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Austria roll dice for 1 field_gun and 4 infantry in Milan, round 3 : 0/5 hits, 1,17 expected hits Italy roll dice for 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Milan, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Austria lost in Milan Austria roll dice for 1 field_gun and 3 infantry in Milan, round 4 : 2/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits Italy roll dice for 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Milan, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italy and 1 field_gun owned by the Italy lost in Milan Austria win, taking Milan from Italy with 1 field_gun and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Austria: 1 infantry Casualties for Italy: 1 field_gun and 1 infantry Battle in Romania Austria attack with 3 field_guns, 1 fighter and 4 infantry Neutral defend with 6 infantry Austria roll dice for 3 field_guns, 1 fighter and 4 infantry in Romania, round 2 : 1/8 hits, 2,67 expected hits Neutral roll dice for 6 infantry in Romania, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2,00 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the Austria lost in Romania 1 infantry owned by the Neutral lost in Romania Austria roll dice for 3 field_guns, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Romania, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 1,67 expected hits Neutral roll dice for 5 infantry in Romania, round 3 : 0/5 hits, 1,67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Neutral lost in Romania Austria roll dice for 3 field_guns, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Romania, round 4 : 3/5 hits, 1,67 expected hits Neutral roll dice for 3 infantry in Romania, round 4 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Austria lost in Romania 3 infantry owned by the Neutral lost in Romania Austria loses 0 PUs for violating Romanias neutrality. Austria win, taking Romania from Neutral with 3 field_guns and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Austria: 4 infantry Casualties for Neutral: 6 infantry Battle in Albania Austria attack with 1 field_gun, 1 heavy_gun and 1 infantry France defend with 2 colonials Austria roll dice for 1 field_gun, 1 heavy_gun and 1 infantry in Albania, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits Serbia roll dice for 2 colonials in Albania, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Austria lost in Albania Austria roll dice for 1 field_gun and 1 heavy_gun in Albania, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Serbia roll dice for 2 colonials in Albania, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 field_gun owned by the Austria and 1 heavy_gun owned by the Austria retreated to Serbia Serbia win with 2 colonials remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3 Casualties for Austria: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Austria 7 infantry moved from Belgrade to Serbia 5 infantry moved from Transylvania to Galicia 2 infantry moved from Carpathia to Galicia 1 fighter moved from Romania to Galicia 1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Galicia 1 infantry moved from Croatia to Montenegro 1 field_gun moved from Croatia to Trieste 1 infantry moved from Hungary to Transylvania 1 fighter moved from Sea Zone 62 Adriatic Sea to Venice 5 infantry moved from Trieste to Venice 1 heavy_gun moved from Tyrol to Venice 1 infantry moved from Venice to Milan 1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Moldavia 1 cavalry moved from Moldavia to Bessarabia Place Units - Austria 4 heavy_guns and 2 infantry placed in Galicia 6 infantry placed in Tyrol 4 infantry placed in Venice 5 infantry placed in Trieste 4 infantry placed in Belgrade Activate Technology - Austria Austria activating workingWomen Trigger AustriaT1: buyfield_gun_w added to productionAustria Trigger AustriaT1: buyheavy_gun_w added to productionAustria Trigger AustriaT1: buyfield_gun removed from productionAustria Trigger AustriaT1: buyheavy_gun removed from productionAustria Trigger AustriaT1: buygas_w added to productionAustria Trigger AustriaT1: buyfighter_w added to productionAustria Trigger AustriaT1: buygas removed from productionAustria Trigger AustriaT1: buyfighter removed from productionAustria Turn Complete - Austria Austria collect 89 PUs; end with 89 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Italy regular : -1,00 Serbia regular : -0,33 Austria regular : -3,00 Neutral regular : -0,67
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