Hi Markus
Enjoy your game with crockett :)
TGC (Germany) vs Doman (Allies) Europe, oob
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@The_Good_Captain I’m on three hours of sleep and have lost what little remains of my sanity:
[dice 2d6<=1]
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2d6<=1: 3, 2; Hits: 0
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@The_Good_Captain Do you want to fight to the death again? USSR’s turn is already over so you’re not blocking income anymore but you may be able to kill the carriers if my luck continues to trend badly. From what I can tell, in this edition Submarines do not get sneak-attack rolls when on defense; only offense.
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@DoManMacgee submerge
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@The_Good_Captain Game History
Round: 3 Purchase Units - British British buy 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 2 fighters moved from Leningrad to Baltic States 1 bomber moved from Stalingrad to Baltic States 1 armour moved from Palestine to Egypt Middle_East take Egypt from Germans 1 armour moved from Egypt to Palestine 1 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus 2 carriers and 4 fighters moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to Soviet Convoy Sea Zone Combat - British Battle in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone British attack with 2 carriers; Americans loiter and taunt Germans defend with 1 submarine 1 submarine owned by the Germans submerged Battle in Baltic States British attack with 1 bomber and 2 fighters Germans defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 fighters in Baltic States, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 bomber owned by the British lost in Baltic States 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States British winBritish winBritish win, taking Soviet Convoy Sea Zone from Germans with 2 carriers remaining with 2 carriers remaining with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -12 Casualties for British: 1 bomber Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - British 2 fighters moved from Baltic States to Stalingrad Place Units - British 1 submarine placed in Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 transport placed in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 0.67 British regular : 0.33Game History
Round: 3 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 4 fighters; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Rumania 3 fighters moved from United States to United Kingdom Combat - Americans Americans creates battle in territory Soviet Convoy Sea Zone Battle in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone British loiter and taunt; Americans attack with 4 fighters Germans defend with 1 submarine 1 submarine owned by the Germans submerged Battle in Rumania Americans attack with 1 bomber Germans defend with 1 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 bomber in Rumania, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Rumania, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rumania Americans winAmericans winAmericans win with 4 fighters remaining with 4 fighters remaining with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber moved from Rumania to Caucasus Place Units - Americans 4 fighters placed in United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.33 Germans regular : -0.33 -
Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 8 armour and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 bomber moved from Norway to Archangel 1 submarine moved from Soviet Convoy Sea Zone to Denmark Strait Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone to British Convoy 2 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 2 Sea Zone from British 1 infantry moved from Libya to Egypt Germans take Egypt from Middle_East Combat - Germans Strategic bombing raid in Archangel Bombing raid in Archangel rolls: 2 and costs: 2 PUs. Bombing raid costs 2 PUs Non Combat Move - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing ownership of Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians to Germans EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 bomber moved from Archangel to East Poland 1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine S.S.R. 12 armour, 2 artilleries and 13 infantry moved from Bessarabia to East Poland 1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 5 artilleries and 42 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland 2 fighters moved from Bessarabia to Germany 9 armour moved from Germany to East Poland 1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Libya to Egypt 1 fighter moved from Libya to Northern Italy 2 fighters moved from Norway to Germany 1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg 1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg 2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland 1 infantry moved from Cyprus to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Egypt Place Units - Germans 8 armour and 1 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 45 PUs; end with 45 PUs -
@The_Good_Captain Game History
Round: 4 Actions - Russians Russians takes action: Action UKPays1PUs Action UKPays1PUs activates a trigger called: Trigger UKPays1PUs Trigger UKPays1PUs: British met a national objective for an additional -1 PUs; end with 16 PUs Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 armour moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Baltic States 1 bomber moved from Caucasus to Baltic States Combat - Russians Battle in Ukraine S.S.R. Russians attack with 1 armour Germans defend with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R. Russians win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Baltic States Russians attack with 1 bomber and 1 fighter Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 fighter in Baltic States, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States Russians win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Leningrad 5 infantry moved from Karelia to Russia 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Leningrad to Russia 4 armour moved from Belorussia to Leningrad 8 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Turkestan 1 aaGun moved from Stalingrad to Belorussia 3 artilleries and 41 infantry moved from Belorussia to Russia Place Units - Russians 6 infantry placed in Moscow Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 22 PUs; end with 22 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -0.67 Russians regular : 1.33Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - British British buy 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 2 carriers and 4 fighters moved from Soviet Convoy Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to North Atlantic Sea Zone 1 transport moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 1 armour moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone 1 armour moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France British take France from Germans 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Palestine to Syria 1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Turkestan 2 fighters moved from Stalingrad to Leningrad Combat - British Non Combat Move - British Place Units - British 2 transports placed in English Channel Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Game History
Round: 4 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 4 fighters moved from United States to North Sea Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Leningrad 4 fighters moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Vyborg 1 bomber moved from Caucasus to Vyborg Combat - Americans Battle in Vyborg Americans attack with 1 bomber and 4 fighters Germans defend with 2 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 4 fighters in Vyborg, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Americans and 1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in Vyborg 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg Americans win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -21 Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber and 1 fighter Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Americans 3 fighters moved from Vyborg to Leningrad Place Units - Americans 1 submarine and 2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 2 infantry placed in United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 36 PUs; end with 42 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.33 Germans regular : 1.33Am rapidly realizing my previous guess about the ME was wrong. The Atlantic really is the end-all/be-all here because of the convoy spaces.
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Game History
Round: 5 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 9 armour; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from British Convoy 2 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia Germans take Belorussia from Russians 4 armour and 1 infantry moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 armour moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Palestine Germans take Palestine from Middle_East 1 submarine moved from Denmark Strait Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone Germans take U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone from Americans 1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia Germans take Karelia from Russians 1 armour moved from Germany to France 1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to France 2 fighters moved from Germany to France 1 fighter moved from Germany to English Channel Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from East Poland to English Channel Sea Zone Combat - Germans Battle in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans attack with 5 armour and 1 infantry Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 1 armour Germans roll dice for 5 armour and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 4/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 5 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Russians: 1 armour Battle in English Channel Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 fighter British defend with 1 transport Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 fighter in English Channel Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 transport in English Channel Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 transport owned by the British lost in English Channel Sea Zone Germans win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for British: 1 transport Battle in France Germans attack with 1 armour and 3 fighters British defend with 1 armour Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 3 fighters in France, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 armour in France, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 armour owned by the British lost in France Germans win, taking France from British with 1 armour and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for British: 1 armour Non Combat Move - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 3 fighters moved from France to Germany 1 bomber moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Germany 1 fighter moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Germany 1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 7 artilleries and 52 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia 7 armour moved from Germany to East Poland 11 armour moved from East Poland to Belorussia 1 fighter moved from Germany to East Poland 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to Palestine 1 battleship and 1 transport moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone 3 armour moved from East Poland to Belorussia Place Units - Germans 9 armour placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 47 PUs; end with 47 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : -0.33 Germans regular : 2.17 British regular : -0.50G5.tsvg I agree its an Achilles heel with the fighter push strategy you have mastered. Otherwise, my games with @Karl7 make me feel that the Germans are best invested in the Mediterranean. I have two games with Karl where the Italian fleet heads out to the Atlantic (one where he did it as the Germans and one where I did it as the Germans) and in each game, imo - it would have been better to stay in the Med. Not a hard opinion. Just a soft opinion at first whiff.
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@DoManMacgee btw the USA transports have been sub stalled - cannot load from the USA this turn.
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@DoManMacgee also, can you edit G bomber to Northern Italy. THANKS
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@The_Good_Captain said in TGC (Germany) vs Doman (Allies) Europe, oob:
G5.tsvg I agree its an Achilles heel with the fighter push strategy you have mastered.
I think it’s an Achilles heel in the sense that it devolves the game into a series of are basically coin flips in the Atlantic. Under my current understanding of the game balance when using OOB rules, neither UK or US can realistically afford to divert money during the initial game turns to buy combat-capable naval units (mostly because naval units pre-AA50 are extremely expensive). This basically means that UK/US have to rely on whatever Destroyers survive the G1 attacks + the Russian Sub to clean up the Atlantic, which is a losing battle any way you slice it.
Turn will be up ASAP.
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@The_Good_Captain Game History
Round: 5 Actions - Russians Russians takes action: Action USAPays1PUs Action USAPays1PUs activates a trigger called: Trigger USAPays1PUs Trigger USAPays1PUs: Americans met a national objective for an additional -1 PUs; end with 41 PUs Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Leningrad to Karelia 3 armour moved from Leningrad to Moscow 5 artilleries and 50 infantry moved from Russia to Moscow 8 infantry moved from Turkestan to Moscow 1 armour moved from Leningrad to Vyborg Russians take Vyborg from Germans 1 armour moved from Vyborg to Karelia Combat - Russians Battle in Karelia Russians attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 fighter Germans defend with 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 fighter in Karelia, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia Russians win, taking Karelia from Germans with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Karelia to Moscow 1 aaGun moved from Leningrad to Russia Place Units - Russians 7 infantry placed in Moscow Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 19 PUs; end with 20 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -0.67 Russians regular : 0.33Game History
Round: 5 Purchase Units - British Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Germany: 1 bomber EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Northern Italy: 1 bomber EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode British buy 3 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 submarine moved from North Atlantic Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Leningrad to Moscow 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Syria to Iran 1 infantry moved from Turkestan to Caucasus 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery, 2 carriers, 4 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from North Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France Combat - British Battle in France British attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry Germans defend with 1 armour British roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in France, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 armour in France, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in France British win, taking France from Germans with 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Germans: 1 armour Non Combat Move - British Place Units - British 3 infantry placed in United Kingdom 1 transport placed in English Channel Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -0.33 British regular : 0.00 -
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1d6<=2: 4; Hits: 0
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@The_Good_Captain Let me know what you want to do Re: Submerge/Fight. My buy was:
If that influences your decision making for any reason.
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@DoManMacgee said in TGC (Germany) vs Doman (Allies) Europe, oob:
@The_Good_Captain said in TGC (Germany) vs Doman (Allies) Europe, oob:
G5.tsvg I agree its an Achilles heel with the fighter push strategy you have mastered.
I think it’s an Achilles heel in the sense that it devolves the game into a series of are basically coin flips in the Atlantic. Under my current understanding of the game balance when using OOB rules, neither UK or US can realistically afford to divert money during the initial game turns to buy combat-capable naval units (mostly because naval units pre-AA50 are extremely expensive). This basically means that UK/US have to rely on whatever Destroyers survive the G1 attacks + the Russian Sub to clean up the Atlantic, which is a losing battle any way you slice it.
Turn will be up ASAP.
Yeah… that’s what I kinda thought too but it didn’t really work out that way. The Germans give up any threat to the ME and Africa the instant the fleet leaves the Med. I …“feel” that the small bit of experience I have with this is that the W. Allies can defuse the situation with a thorough understanding of the rules and of course and a hyper efficient use of IPC and purchases. I might have you take a look at this game and Karl7s approach to the German Atlantic fleet… and the (once again) insane use of submarines as the Allies. https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/41374/tgc-germany-vs-karl7-allies-original-europe/90?page=4
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@DoManMacgee submerge
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@The_Good_Captain
Game HistoryRound: 5 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 6 fighters moved from Leningrad to Baltic States 4 fighters moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Karelia EDIT: 1 submarine and 2 transports moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Mid-Atlantic Sea Zone Combat - Americans Battle in Baltic States Americans attack with 6 fighters Germans defend with 1 infantry Americans roll dice for 6 fighters in Baltic States, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 3.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States Americans win with 6 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 6 fighters moved from Baltic States to Moscow EDIT: 1 submarine and 2 transports moved from Mid-Atlantic Sea Zone to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 1 submarine and 2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 30 PUs; end with 32 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.00 Germans regular : -0.33No G6 Moscow this time but the FTR pipeline is gone and US is more or less paralyzed for the immediate future. Germany is probably going to win but I’m still interested in seeing where things go from here.
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Game History
Round: 6 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 8 armour and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing ownership of U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone from Germans to Americans EDIT: Changing PUs for Americans from 32 to 34 EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing PUs for Americans from 34 to 36 EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Caucasus 1 fighter moved from East Poland to Caucasus 1 armour moved from Palestine to Trans-Jordan Germans take Trans-Jordan from Middle_East 1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to Syria Germans take Syria from Middle_East 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Palestine to Syria 1 submarine moved from U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone to British Convoy 4 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 4 Sea Zone from British 1 infantry moved from Belorussia to Turkestan Germans take Turkestan from Russians 1 infantry moved from Belorussia to Russia Germans take Russia from Russians 1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Leningrad Combat - Germans Germans creates battle in territory U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone Strategic bombing raid in Leningrad Bombing raid in Leningrad rolls: 2 and costs: 2 PUs. Bombing raid costs 2 PUs Battle in Caucasus Germans attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Caucasus Germans win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 submarine Americans defend with 2 submarines and 4 transports 1 submarine owned by the Germans submerged Non Combat Move - Germans 1 aaGun moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to East Poland 5 armour moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia 9 armour moved from East Poland to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia 1 bomber moved from Leningrad to Germany 1 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland 1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 9 armour moved from Germany to East Poland 1 battleship and 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R. 6 armour moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R. 2 armour moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Belorussia 2 fighters moved from Germany to East Poland 1 fighter moved from Germany to East Poland Place Units - Germans 8 armour and 2 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 49 PUs; end with 50 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : 0.67 Germans regular : 1.33G6.tsvg I think I can get it to 90% on turn 8 as opposed to 80% next turn.
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@DoManMacgee also, I added 4 IPC to the USA economy since nothing was lost by moving to the Southern USA convoy zone, freeing it, then returning to the embattled zone
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