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VF (Germany) vs. DoMan (Allies) | Original Europe OOB, Game 2
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@VictoryFirst said in VF (Germany) vs. DoMan (Allies) | Original Europe OOB, Game 2:
It turns out it is actually not a bug, but a feature of the rules (thanks to Panther for pointing that out).
So in that case, I would’ve retreated from Ukraine to East Poland. Here is the corrected save file: G1 corrected.tsvg
And I will remember this possibility in the future.
Sorry for interfering:
Actually I pointed out that the old TripleA-Europe map is code-wise based on Classic.
In case you play the Europe-map and want to play by the rulebook, the Europe rules follow newer rulesets. From the Europe (1999) rulebook:
“The attacking land units may only retreat to
an adjacent friendly territory that was under the owner’s control
at the start of the turn – and from which any of the attacking
land units came. The units must all withdraw together to the
same territory.”That denies a retreat option to East Poland in this case.
So when playing Europe players must take care of this specific rule themselves. As v1 rules (Classic) differ from the Europe 1999 -rulebook.
(Reference: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/41391/was-able-to-retreat-to-a-just-captured-territory)
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Panther is right, please use the save file below the turn summary, not the corrected one.
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@VictoryFirst I was not aware that in classic you could rig things so to allow the attack to retreat into a territory that was captured earlier in the turn. That is interesting.
Regardless, will play on with the file where Germany retreated into Romania.
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@VictoryFirst Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 artillery moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to East Poland 1 artillery moved from Belorussia to East Poland 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Moscow to East Poland 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from White Sea Sea Zone to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Karelia to Leningrad 1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad 1 armour and 3 infantry moved from Archangel to Russia 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Siberia to Russia 1 armour moved from Moscow to Ukraine S.S.R. 2 infantry moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 armour moved from Turkestan to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 armour and 3 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus 3 infantry moved from Turkestan to Belorussia 4 infantry moved from Moscow to Belorussia 2 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Russia to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from Belorussia to East Poland 1 infantry moved from Belorussia to East Poland Combat - Russians Battle in East Poland Russians attack with 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry Germans defend with 3 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in East Poland Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 bomber and 1 fighter in East Poland, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 3 armour and 1 artillery in East Poland, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in East Poland 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in East Poland Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 fighter in East Poland, round 4 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 armour in East Poland, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 armour owned by the Germans lost in East Poland Russians win, taking East Poland from Germans with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry Casualties for Germans: 3 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 aaGun moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 aaGun moved from Moscow to Belorussia 1 aaGun moved from Archangel to Russia Place Units - Russians 8 infantry placed in Leningrad Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -0.67 Russians regular : -0.83 -
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3d6<=3: 4, 2, 6; Hits: 1
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@VictoryFirst Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - British British buy nothing; Remaining resources: 25 PUs; Combat Move - British Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Celtic Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 destroyer moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Syria to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Palestine to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Libya British take Libya from Germans 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Libya EDIT: 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Halifax Sea Sea Zone EDIT: British undo move 10. EDIT: British undo move 9. EDIT: British undo move 2. EDIT: British undo move 1. EDIT: 1 fighter moved from Malta to Syria 1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone Combat - British Non Combat Move - British Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode EDIT: 1 destroyer moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone EDIT: 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone EDIT: 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone EDIT: 2 fighters moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom EDIT: 1 bomber moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom Turn Complete - British British collect 16 PUs; end with 41 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@VictoryFirst Americans attack Germans in Celtic SZ:
[dice 2d6<=3]
[dice 1d6<=4] -
2d6<=3: 1, 2; Hits: 2
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@VictoryFirst Having the Germans fire back, since I killed all 3 subs this time:
[dice 3d6<=2] -
3d6<=2: 2, 2, 6; Hits: 2
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@VictoryFirst As per the rules, the UK Destroyer has to eat the second hit and also die.
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@VictoryFirst Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 3 fighters; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 destroyer moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from United States to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to South Atlantic Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Morocco Americans take Morocco from Germans Combat - Americans Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone British loiter and taunt; Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter Germans defend with 3 submarines Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone 2 submarines owned by the Germans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Germans and Americans reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Non Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Celtic Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Celtic Sea Sea Zone: 1 destroyer EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom Place Units - Americans 3 fighters placed in United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 41 PUs; end with 45 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.33 Germans regular : 0.00Ignore the dice stats provided for the US turn and calculate based on the actual dice that got rolled.
Likely going to be a very one-sided game based on these initial results but there is still a window for things to change. If you attack the USSR sub it will submerge if it somehow manages to survive the first round of combat.
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TUV Differential / Net TUV - Round 1
G1
Eastern Front: +2.92 / +18
Atlantic/WA: +31.64 / +88
Total: +34.56 / +106Allied1
Eastern Front: -0.17 / +6
Atlantic/WA: +35.33 / +80
Total: +35.16 / +86As far as I can remember this one of the best German openers I’ve ever had. So even though the end result is most likely set in stone, you can still show me your Allied strategy.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 14 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine S.S.R. 2 armour, 1 fighter and 3 infantry moved from Rumania to Ukraine S.S.R. 2 armour moved from Hungary to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 fighter moved from Poland to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 bomber moved from Germany to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia Germans take Karelia from Russians 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Baltic States to East Poland 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Hungary to East Poland 2 armour moved from Germany to East Poland 1 submarine moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone Germans take U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone from Americans 1 submarine moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone Germans take U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone from Americans 1 battleship moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to British Convoy 2 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 2 Sea Zone from British 1 destroyer moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to British Convoy 1 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 1 Sea Zone from British 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco 1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to South Atlantic Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Morocco 2 submarines moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Soviet Convoy Sea Zone Germans take Soviet Convoy Sea Zone from Russians 1 fighter moved from Germany to Ukraine S.S.R. Combat - Germans Battle in South Atlantic Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 transport Americans defend with 1 transport Germans roll dice for 1 transport in South Atlantic Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/0 hits, 0,00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 transport in South Atlantic Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits 1 transport owned by the Germans retreated to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone Battle in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans attack with 4 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 5 infantry Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 3 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 7 infantry Russians roll AA dice in Ukraine S.S.R. : 1/4 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans roll dice for 4 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 5 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 6/13 hits, 5,00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 7 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 5/13 hits, 4,50 expected hits 5 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R. 5 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 bomber owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans roll dice for 4 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 fighters in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 5/8 hits, 4,00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 2/7 hits, 2,67 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R. 2 infantry owned by the Russians, 2 armour owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 bomber and 2 fighters in Ukraine S.S.R., round 4 : 4/6 hits, 3,17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 fighter in Ukraine S.S.R., round 4 : 2/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits 2 armour owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R. 1 fighter owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans winAmericans win with 1 transport remaining, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 21 Casualties for Germans: 3 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 5 infantry Casualties for Russians: 3 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 7 infantry Battle in Morocco Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry Americans defend with 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Morocco, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Morocco, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Morocco 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Morocco Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Morocco, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1,17 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Morocco, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Morocco 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Morocco Germans win, taking Morocco from Americans with 1 armour and 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry Battle in East Poland Germans attack with 5 armour, 4 artilleries and 10 infantry Russians defend with 1 artillery Germans roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries and 10 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 6/19 hits, 6,17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in East Poland, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in East Poland 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in East Poland Germans win, taking East Poland from Russians with 5 armour, 4 artilleries and 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery Non Combat Move - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 aaGun moved from Poland to East Poland 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Hungary 20 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 transport moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Baltic Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to Poland 3 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany 1 fighter moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany 1 aaGun moved from Austria to Germany 1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Germany 1 bomber moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Germany 1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Poland EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Morocco Place Units - Germans 14 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 45 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0,83 Russians regular : 1,50 Germans regular : 2,17 Russians AA : 0,33 -
I know you typically submerge in naval combat but I am asking here in case you wanted to attempt to deny me the 4 IPC. USSR missed. Will Germany submerge or fight?
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In this case, the Germans will fight to the death.
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@VictoryFirst KK.
I forgot to declare a combat move, so I am resolving it here via the dice-roller:
Soviets attack Germans in Karelia:
Soviet Attack:
[dice 5d6<=1]
[dice 2d6<=2]Germans Defend:
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5d6<=1: 6, 1, 1, 2, 4; Hits: 2
2d6<=2: 4, 6; Hits: 0
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@VictoryFirst Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine S.S.R. 2 armour, 1 artillery and 11 infantry moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone to Soviet Convoy Sea Zone Combat - Russians Battle in Ukraine S.S.R. Russians attack with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 12 infantry Germans defend with 1 aaGun and 1 armour Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery and 12 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 3/15 hits, 3.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R. Russians win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 12 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Germans: 1 armour Battle in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone Russians attack with 1 submarine and 1 transport Germans defend with 2 submarines Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 transport in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone Russians roll dice for 1 transport in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 transport in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone Russians win, taking Soviet Convoy Sea Zone from Germans with 1 submarine and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16 Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Non Combat Move - Russians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Karelia: 1 infantry EDIT: Changing ownership of Karelia from Germans to Russians EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Russia to Karelia 1 aaGun moved from Russia to Moscow 13 infantry moved from Leningrad to Belorussia 1 aaGun moved from Leningrad to Belorussia 1 aaGun moved from Belorussia to Stalingrad Place Units - Russians 7 infantry placed in Stalingrad Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 22 PUs; end with 24 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -1.67 Russians regular : 0.17Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - British British buy 2 carriers; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; Combat Move - British 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Karelia 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Baltic Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Syria to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 armour moved from Libya to Tunisia British take Tunisia from Germans 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Western Mediterranean Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus Combat - British Battle in Baltic Sea Sea Zone British attack with 1 bomber Germans defend with 1 transport British roll dice for 1 bomber in Baltic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Baltic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 bomber in Baltic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Baltic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 bomber owned by the British lost in Baltic Sea Sea Zone 1 transport owned by the Germans lost in Baltic Sea Sea Zone Germans win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7 Casualties for British: 1 bomber Casualties for Germans: 1 transport Non Combat Move - British Place Units - British 2 carriers placed in Atlantic Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 11 PUs; end with 16 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 0.67 British regular : -0.33Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 3 fighters; Remaining resources: 9 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Baltic States 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Atlantic Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from United States to Atlantic Sea Zone 1 transport moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Azores Sea Sea Zone Combat - Americans Battle in Baltic States Americans attack with 1 bomber Germans defend with 1 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 bomber in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber moved from Baltic States to Ukraine S.S.R. Place Units - Americans 3 fighters placed in United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 30 PUs; end with 39 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.33 Germans regular : -0.33In case you’re concerned with my current moves, my proposed “altered strategy” was effectively ruined by how disastrous the German opener was (I intentionally gave you 70% @ Ukraine with the hopes that you would not attempt to take it). I am more or less flying by the seat of my pants at this point in the hope that the dice turn around somewhere.
I’m sure you were already expecting this, but I am going to ask for a do-over once the dust settles on this one.
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