2011 League Discussion

[Battlingmaxo]

@The:

People, I need some assistance with the outcome of a battle that my opponent is not accepting.

I am playing a game (not on these boards) that is using LL for dice. I attacked with 1 BB, 2 CAs, 1 AC vs 1 BB, 2 dest, 1 sub. In the game, how it played out, I killed my opponent’s entire fleet with the loss of only 1 CA.

However, the other guy is being a bad sport and wanting me to re-roll the ENTIRE battle just so he can get a more favourable outcome!  :x :x  He’s using general logic to show why it should have been mutual annihilation instead of me coming out on top, but it’s not my fault the dice went against him.  :-D :-D :lol: :lol:  He’s even asking for mutual annihilation. I would NOT accept that whatsoever.

So what do I do? This is a PBEM game, so if he gets angry enough, he’ll probably throw it in. Would work for me but I want to resolve this somehow.

I assume he whiffed on all his LL rolls while you made all yours.  If the rolls were legit they stand. If he wants to throw in the towel tell him you’ll agree to a rematch using No Luck. :roll:

[Zhukov44]

@The:

People, I need some assistance with the outcome of a battle that my opponent is not accepting.

I am playing a game (not on these boards) that is using LL for dice. I attacked with 1 BB, 2 CAs, 1 AC vs 1 BB, 2 dest, 1 sub. In the game, how it played out, I killed my opponent’s entire fleet with the loss of only 1 CA.

However, the other guy is being a bad sport and wanting me to re-roll the ENTIRE battle just so he can get a more favourable outcome!  :x :x  He’s using general logic to show why it should have been mutual annihilation instead of me coming out on top, but it’s not my fault the dice went against him.  :-D :-D :lol: :lol:  He’s even asking for mutual annihilation. I would NOT accept that whatsoever.

So what do I do? This is a PBEM game, so if he gets angry enough, he’ll probably throw it in. Would work for me but I want to resolve this somehow.

Without knowing what the dice rolls are, it is theoretically possible to get that outcome in a low luck game.

It’s the best possible outcome for you and the worst possible outcome for him, but it’s quite possible.

It’s not reasonable of him to ask for mutual annihilation.  In reg luck that battle is 54% to win, 38.5% to lose.

[General_D.Fox]

He did get 2 hits, 1 to my BB and then another to my CA. But he didn’t get enough to wipe me out. He did pretty much miss and pretty much destroyed his sorry butt!  :evil: :lol: :-D

I will have to wait and see what he says after my e-mail to him.

[General_D.Fox]

OK, so the guy is now just crying like a stuck pig. Here is his best quote so far:

“There is no need to re-roll the battle. We can reconstruct the battle using the dice rolls which were made. However, the result would not be as favorable to the Axis as before.”  :? :? And why wouldn’t the battle still be favourable to the Axis? Makes no sense to me. Anyway, he has suggested one of the following as an option:

“As I see it there are two options: 1) the Br are wiped out and the Axis lose either the BB and 2 cruisers or the carrier and 2 cruisers. 2) If you think you can get good rolls again and the Br would not have gotten good rolls, you can redo the battle.”

I am thinking I might accept the first option, but boy, do I ever really want to b*tch-slap this guy into next week. So, what would be better to lose, the BB and 2 CAs or the AC and 2 CAs? Not that I really think I need to lose anything…

[Battlingmaxo]

@The:

OK, so the guy is now just crying like a stuck pig. Here is his best quote so far:

“There is no need to re-roll the battle. We can reconstruct the battle using the dice rolls which were made. However, the result would not be as favorable to the Axis as before.”

If you’re playing LL and the dice are the same…what changes???  Drop this dwebe like a hot potato.  I thought LL was supposed to eliminate whining about dice.

[General_D.Fox]

@Battling:

@The:

OK, so the guy is now just crying like a stuck pig. Here is his best quote so far:

“There is no need to re-roll the battle. We can reconstruct the battle using the dice rolls which were made. However, the result would not be as favorable to the Axis as before.”

If you’re playing LL and the dice are the same…what changes???  Drop this dwebe like a hot potato.  I thought LL was supposed to eliminate whining about dice.

I think he is hoping he will somehow get one more hit and I will mysteriously/magically get one less hit, thereby dropping the battle into his favour. And he was hoping his sub (on defence don’t forget) would get a hit. But to me, a 1 in 6 chance is pretty low.

[General_D.Fox]

Can any of the mods indicate when the league should start wrapping up so scores can be tabulated and it be determined who the winners are? I know usually we’ve said sometime in early November, and, although it is only October, a nice head’s up about when to stop starting new games would be good.

[666]

@The:

Can any of the mods indicate when the league should start wrapping up so scores can be tabulated and it be determined who the winners are? I know usually we’ve said sometime in early November, and, although it is only October, a nice head’s up about when to stop starting new games would be good.

7a - The Regular Season for each league will end on Dec. 1 and the standings will then be posted.  Games must be completed prior to this date in order to count.
7b - Any games in progress that are completed after this date will be eligible to count for the next league (2011) assuming league rules remain the same or are similar.

On 12/2 I will post the playoff matches.

I have some ideas, or changes to make for 2011, which might include the season ending & the next season begining on Nov 1st. I’d prefer the champ to be posted or acknowledged in 2010, 2011 etc…

On 12/1/2010 I’ll post the start of the 2011 season. If you anyone has any thoughts on improvements to the league, please let me know. JWW

[General_D.Fox]

Thanks for pointing to the rules. I am obviously not too familiar with them and have made you do extra work. My bad.  :oops:

[Seador]

@JWW:

I have some ideas, or changes to make for 2011, which might include the season ending & the next season begining on Nov 1st. I’d prefer the champ to be posted or acknowledged in 2010, 2011 etc…

On 12/1/2010 I’ll post the start of the 2011 season. If you anyone has any thoughts on improvements to the league, please let me know. JWW

I’d like to see the optional rules be made available; particularly closed Z16 with or without access to Bulgaria.

[Nix]

Will there be aby spring 1942 League games? (yeah i liked revised what can i say) =)

[666]

@Nix:

Will there be aby spring 1942 League games? (yeah i liked revised what can i say) =)

Yes, the 2011 League will be very similar to the 2010 version.

[Zhukov44]

I think he’s asking if there will be a league for the 1942 game/ruleset (the ‘newer’ Revised).

Not much 42 gets played around here but perhaps there’d be some interest in league.

[Nix]

Zukov is indeed correct =)  Would be fun to play the old foxes in this updated revised edition

[666]

@Nix:

Zukov is indeed correct =)  Would be fun to play the old foxes in this updated revised edition

OH, not sure about that but it will certainly be considered.

[DarthMaximus]

Yeah, we’ll have to look at things once we get a little closer to the end of the year.

[Funcioneta]

Some suggestions for next AA50 leagues: we should play to 13 or even to 12 VCs, because 15 VCs is like not having any victory condition. Also, with 12 VCs as victory condition, we’ll stop the ignore Japan strats

Also, bids should be limited to Asia if we want to prevent ignore Japan strats

[666]

A REMINDER

The leagues end on 12/1! Any games not completed by this date will roll into the 2011 season. So let’s wrap up these games or they will effect your 2011 record.

[General_D.Fox]

Has anyone heard how Nix is doing? He hasn’t been on since Nov. 24. I know he told me he was quite sick and had to put our game on hold, but if anyone has regular contact with him, I’d just like to know if he is still alive out there in the “real world.”  :-P

[axis_roll]

@Funcioneta:

Some suggestions for next AA50 leagues: we should play to 13 or even to 12 VCs, because 15 VCs is like not having any victory condition. Also, with 12 VCs as victory condition, we’ll stop the ignore Japan strats

Also, bids should be limited to Asia if we want to prevent ignore Japan strats

I think do one or the other, both suggested changes at once are too much to the base game we’ve all been playing.

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Personally, I prefer the asian bid idea as it opens up more pacific based strategies while allowing allied bids to get to a 6-9 level.  You could even enforce an all ‘inf’ bid to keep from throwing off the pacific balance.

Using 12 or 13 VCs makes a much shorter the game with more gambit style moves and could be more subjected to the whims of the dice.