@simon33 said in L25 Balanced Peirce (L+16) vs Simon33 (X):
Lose the Cruiser or DD in 111?
Assumed DD.
jim (axis) vs Crocket (Allies + 30) Europe OOB
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germans round 1
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Europe 1940 2nd Edition
Game History
Round: 1 Politics - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Ukraine: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Western Ukraine: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Bessarabia: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Belarus: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Novgorod: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Archangel: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Russia: 1 mech_infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Volgograd: 1 mech_infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Caucasus: 1 mech_infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit ModeCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germans round 1
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Europe 1940 2nd Edition
Game History
Round: 1 Politics - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Ukraine: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Western Ukraine: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Bessarabia: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Belarus: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Novgorod: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Archangel: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Russia: 1 mech_infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Volgograd: 1 mech_infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Caucasus: 1 mech_infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to France 1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 2 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to France 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone 3 armour and 2 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France 3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France 1 armour moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia 1 bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 2 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea ZoneCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@crockett36 scramble orders?
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@jim010 no thank you!
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Europe 1940 2nd Edition
Game History
Round: 1 Politics - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Ukraine: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Western Ukraine: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Bessarabia: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Belarus: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Novgorod: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Archangel: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Russia: 1 mech_infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Volgograd: 1 mech_infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Caucasus: 1 mech_infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to France 1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 2 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to France 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone 3 armour and 2 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France 3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France 1 armour moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia 1 bomber moved from Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 2 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone Combat - Germans Battle in 111 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/4 hits, 2.50 expected hits British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 111 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the British, 1 cruiser owned by the British and 1 battleship owned by the British lost in 111 Sea Zone Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 34 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Battle in 110 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 3 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser; French defend with 1 cruiser Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British 1 cruiser owned by the French lost in 110 Sea Zone Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 4.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 110 Sea Zone 1 cruiser owned by the British and 1 battleship owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone Germans win with 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 38 Casualties for French: 1 cruiser Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 cruiser Battle in Yugoslavia Germans attack with 3 armour, 1 fighter and 5 infantry Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 fighter and 5 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 4/9 hits, 2.83 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 5 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Yugoslavia 4 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 0/7 hits, 2.50 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Yugoslavia Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 4 : 1/6 hits, 2.33 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry Battle in 106 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 submarine British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 106 Sea Zone British win with 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Germans attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the French lost in Normandy Bordeaux Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux 1 artillery owned by the French lost in Normandy Bordeaux Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in France Germans attack with 6 armour, 2 artilleries, 5 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry French roll AA dice in France : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 2 artilleries, 5 infantry, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in France, round 2 : 6/18 hits, 6.17 expected hits French roll dice for 1 aaGun, 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry in France, round 2 : 5/11 hits, 4.33 expected hits 5 infantry owned by the Germans lost in France 1 aaGun owned by the French and 5 infantry owned by the French lost in France Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in France, round 3 : 5/13 hits, 5.33 expected hits French roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in France, round 3 : 3/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits 3 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans lost in France 1 armour owned by the French, 1 infantry owned by the French, 1 artillery owned by the British, 1 armour owned by the British and 1 artillery owned by the French lost in France Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in France, round 4 : 4/10 hits, 4.67 expected hits French roll dice for 1 fighter in France, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the French lost in France Germans captures 17PUs while taking French capital Germans converts factory_major into different units Germans win, taking France from French with 6 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 26 Casualties for Germans: 5 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French Non Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis 3 infantry moved from Norway to Finland Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Denmark to 113 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Norway 1 cruiser moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 3 infantry moved from Poland to Germany 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Germany 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany 1 tactical_bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium 3 aaGuns moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium 1 tactical_bomber moved from France to Western Germany Place Units - Germans 2 transports placed in 113 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 4 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 58 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
French regular : 0.33 Neutral_Allies regular : 0.67 Germans regular : -1.83 British regular : 0.00 French AA : -0.17 -
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@crockett36 you still have USA and UK to do
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@jim010 oh i was wondering about turn order. thanks. sorry.
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tonight britain.
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@crockett36 Who has two thumbs and doesn’t know what he’s doing? This guy!
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@crockett36 I seem to be having some problems …
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2.6.14364 Is that the version you are using?
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@crockett36 No, this one:
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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Europe 1940 2nd Edition
Game History
Round: 1 Politics - Italians Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France 2 artilleries moved from Northern Italy to Southern France 1 armour moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece 1 armour moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece 1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Albania to Greece 1 cruiser moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk 1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya Italians take Kenya from British 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan Italians take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British 1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone Combat - Italians Battle in Southern France Italians attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the French lost in Southern France Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Southern France, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery in Southern France, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern France 1 artillery owned by the French lost in Southern France Italians win, taking Southern France from French with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Battle in Tobruk Italians attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Tobruk, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 armour and 1 artillery in Tobruk, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Tobruk 1 artillery owned by the British lost in Tobruk Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Tobruk, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 armour in Tobruk, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in Tobruk, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 armour in Tobruk, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 armour owned by the British lost in Tobruk Italians win, taking Tobruk from British with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery Battle in 99 Sea Zone Italians attack with 1 bomber British defend with 1 destroyer Italians roll dice for 1 bomber in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 99 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 bomber owned by the Italians lost in 99 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 99 Sea Zone British win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4 Casualties for Italians: 1 bomber Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Battle in 96 Sea Zone Italians attack with 2 fighters and 1 submarine British defend with 1 cruiser and 1 transport Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 2 fighters in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 2 fighters in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone 1 transport owned by the British and 1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 96 Sea Zone Italians win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13 Casualties for Italians: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 cruiser and 1 transport Battle in Greece Italians attack with 2 armour and 5 infantry Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Greece, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Italians roll dice for 2 armour and 5 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 1.83 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece 3 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece Italians roll dice for 2 armour and 4 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 1.67 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece Italians win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 2 armour and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 2 fighters moved from 96 Sea Zone to Southern Italy 1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 2 aaGuns moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy Place Units - Italians 1 destroyer placed in 97 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Italians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,5,5,4 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 72 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4 Italians collect 17 PUs; end with 19 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
French regular : 0.00 Italians regular : 0.50 Neutral_Allies regular : -0.67 British regular : -0.17 -
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germans round 2
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Europe 1940 2nd Edition
Game History
Round: 2 Politics - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 8 artilleries, 10 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Western Germany to 91 Sea Zone 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 93 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 93 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 93 Sea Zone Combat - Germans Battle in 93 Sea Zone Germans attack with 5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 carrier and 1 fighter; French defend with 1 fighter Germans roll dice for 5 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/10 hits, 5.83 expected hits British roll dice for 1 carrier and 2 fighters in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in 93 Sea Zone 1 fighter owned by the French, 1 fighter owned by the British and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 93 Sea Zone Germans win with 4 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 26 Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter Casualties for British: 1 carrier and 1 fighter Casualties for French: 1 fighter Battle in 91 Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 bombers and 1 submarine British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport; French defend with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 91 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 bombers in 91 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 1 transport in 91 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the French lost in 91 Sea Zone Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 91 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hitsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -0.83 British regular : -1.83
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